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		<title>By: Legs</title>
		<link>http://cuntinglinguist.com/2009/09/pecking-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-12551</link>
		<dc:creator>Legs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, so glad I got to read it :D  I&#039;ll keep reading if you keep posting...
.-= Legs&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://themilfreport.blogspot.com/2009/09/jenny-slate-dropped-f-bomb-on-snl-debut.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jenny Slate dropped the F- Bomb on SNL debut&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, so glad I got to read it :D  I’ll keep reading if you keep posting…<br />
<span class="cluv"> Legs´s last blog ..<a href="http://themilfreport.blogspot.com/2009/09/jenny-slate-dropped-f-bomb-on-snl-debut.html" rel="nofollow">Jenny Slate dropped the F– Bomb on SNL debut</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://cuntinglinguist.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: A Scribe Called Steff</title>
		<link>http://cuntinglinguist.com/2009/09/pecking-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-12509</link>
		<dc:creator>A Scribe Called Steff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Obviously geeks will be tougher to get to know, yeah. I should write a companion post about how you don&#039;t have the right to whine about not meeting people if you haven&#039;t the balls to wade into the club, too. There is actually a smaller segment, maybe 20-30% of the crowd I specifically think is guilty of of post to a varying degree; people who&#039;ve decided they have their group, they&#039;re closing rank, and who cares who else shows up. 

I mean, you wanna do the closed-table we&#039;re-buddy-friends thing, then go out together, right, but don&#039;t just park your clique at a tweet-up and make it obvious you&#039;re not interested in anyone else joining you. Know what I mean? There&#039;s a distinction. 

But I agree that it can&#039;t be on only the people supposedly doing the shunning. I was PMSing  the day I wrote.

PERSONALLY,  I&#039;m not really taking offense &#039;cos I don&#039;t feel I&#039;ve really been shunned much of anyplace. There was *one* tweetup I felt exemplified my posting, but it was also a really stupid venue to have a tweetup in.

And I get what you&#039;re saying too, about going to tweetups because X is there, etc. I think that&#039;s doing it right, too. I think I got way off of Raul&#039;s original posting&#039;s topic and in so doing the original focus evaporated, but originally this was supposed to be about expanding social media. In that context, I think more interaction should be expected.

If it&#039;s more of a tweetup being held by individual groups that are making it public in case others want to come, that&#039;s different, I guess. It&#039;s inclusionist AND exclusionist by its very nature.

Oh, a muddled mess I&#039;ve made.  

And, incidentally, YOU spoke to ME at my first tweetup, so you&#039;re not THAT awkward. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Obviously geeks will be tougher to get to know, yeah. I should write a companion post about how you don’t have the right to whine about not meeting people if you haven’t the balls to wade into the club, too. There is actually a smaller segment, maybe 20–30% of the crowd I specifically think is guilty of of post to a varying degree; people who’ve decided they have their group, they’re closing rank, and who cares who else shows up. </p>
<p>I mean, you wanna do the closed-table we’re-buddy-friends thing, then go out together, right, but don’t just park your clique at a tweet-up and make it obvious you’re not interested in anyone else joining you. Know what I mean? There’s a distinction. </p>
<p>But I agree that it can’t be on only the people supposedly doing the shunning. I was PMSing  the day I wrote.</p>
<p>PERSONALLY,  I’m not really taking offense ‘cos I don’t feel I’ve really been shunned much of anyplace. There was *one* tweetup I felt exemplified my posting, but it was also a really stupid venue to have a tweetup in.</p>
<p>And I get what you’re saying too, about going to tweetups because X is there, etc. I think that’s doing it right, too. I think I got way off of Raul’s original posting’s topic and in so doing the original focus evaporated, but originally this was supposed to be about expanding social media. In that context, I think more interaction should be expected.</p>
<p>If it’s more of a tweetup being held by individual groups that are making it public in case others want to come, that’s different, I guess. It’s inclusionist AND exclusionist by its very nature.</p>
<p>Oh, a muddled mess I’ve made.  </p>
<p>And, incidentally, YOU spoke to ME at my first tweetup, so you’re not THAT awkward. :)</p>
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		<title>By: GregEh</title>
		<link>http://cuntinglinguist.com/2009/09/pecking-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-12508</link>
		<dc:creator>GregEh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steff, I&#039;d suggest that what you interpret as a class hierarchy is often just introverted, shy geeks being socially awkward. You&#039;re overanalyzing and taking offense that people don&#039;t socialize with the same enthusiasm as you.

I&#039;ll usually come out to tweetups because I know people I know will be there and it&#039;ll be a good chance to have a beer with them. Meeting people is nice, but secondary. Am I doing it wrong?

Not rude, just awkward.

(also, it&#039;s Vancouver, do you really expect to go somewhere and _not_ find people that are quiet and isolationist? :P)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steff, I’d suggest that what you interpret as a class hierarchy is often just introverted, shy geeks being socially awkward. You’re overanalyzing and taking offense that people don’t socialize with the same enthusiasm as you.</p>
<p>I’ll usually come out to tweetups because I know people I know will be there and it’ll be a good chance to have a beer with them. Meeting people is nice, but secondary. Am I doing it wrong?</p>
<p>Not rude, just awkward.</p>
<p>(also, it’s Vancouver, do you really expect to go somewhere and _not_ find people that are quiet and isolationist? :P)</p>
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		<title>By: A Scribe Called Steff</title>
		<link>http://cuntinglinguist.com/2009/09/pecking-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-12507</link>
		<dc:creator>A Scribe Called Steff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick-- Yeah, kinda funny how opting to not belong to any one segment sort of precludes you from belonging at all. Or that&#039;s how it feels, sometimes. But whose fault is that, ultimately? If we choose not to belong to any one segment, then how can we be so offended when we feel like we skirt all the experiences instead of wallowing deep in them? We&#039;ve chosen not to be a part of it, ultimately.

Tris-- :D

JP-- Ironically, I have no chocolate. Just a big cup of fail. ;)

Raul-- Y&#039;know, I think the 604 space is great and fine. I think it&#039;s the membership who chooses to respect old allegiances rather than welcoming new faces with more than just platitudes. When I hear the story of people who show up at tweet-ups to never even have ANYONE approach them to say him, that chokes me. And that&#039;s NOT on you, but you need to accept that it does happen. And it&#039;s NOT on YOU. You can&#039;t mediate other people. They need to step the fuck up and say HEY, WELCOME. WHO ARE YA? Because I was at a Tweetup in May and I saw a few people show up who weren&#039;t like me, (I get my face in the mix, whether you want me to or not) and sat on the outskirts, waiting for people to say hi. *I* went over, and it was my first time meeting 90% of the people there. NO ONE ELSE CAME OVER, despite it being obvious these folk were in the same party -- despite a GIVEAWAY happening 2 feet down the same table, and that&#039;s bullshit. There were 35 people there. (You were there for all of 15 minutes earlier, before this, and you said hello to many people.) 

So my point is, this shit&#039;s going on, and either people are oblivious to how rude it appears, or it&#039;s happening on purpose, and either way, it should change. If we want a diverse community, it NEEDS to change. And that means people like me saying so, loudly.

Me, I&#039;m okay with that, as long as I get it some of the time.

Colleen-- Thank you, honey.

Glenda-- I appreciate you saying so. Thanks.

Robyn-- Hey, absolutely, get out to some. For every person who blows it, there&#039;s probably a couple people you&#039;d love meeting. Trouble is, you really need to make the effort to get into people&#039;s faces and say hi, otherwise it might not be the winning experience you&#039;d hope. :P

And thanks. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick– Yeah, kinda funny how opting to not belong to any one segment sort of precludes you from belonging at all. Or that’s how it feels, sometimes. But whose fault is that, ultimately? If we choose not to belong to any one segment, then how can we be so offended when we feel like we skirt all the experiences instead of wallowing deep in them? We’ve chosen not to be a part of it, ultimately.</p>
<p>Tris– :D</p>
<p>JP– Ironically, I have no chocolate. Just a big cup of fail. ;)</p>
<p>Raul– Y’know, I think the 604 space is great and fine. I think it’s the membership who chooses to respect old allegiances rather than welcoming new faces with more than just platitudes. When I hear the story of people who show up at tweet-ups to never even have ANYONE approach them to say him, that chokes me. And that’s NOT on you, but you need to accept that it does happen. And it’s NOT on YOU. You can’t mediate other people. They need to step the fuck up and say HEY, WELCOME. WHO ARE YA? Because I was at a Tweetup in May and I saw a few people show up who weren’t like me, (I get my face in the mix, whether you want me to or not) and sat on the outskirts, waiting for people to say hi. *I* went over, and it was my first time meeting 90% of the people there. NO ONE ELSE CAME OVER, despite it being obvious these folk were in the same party — despite a GIVEAWAY happening 2 feet down the same table, and that’s bullshit. There were 35 people there. (You were there for all of 15 minutes earlier, before this, and you said hello to many people.) </p>
<p>So my point is, this shit’s going on, and either people are oblivious to how rude it appears, or it’s happening on purpose, and either way, it should change. If we want a diverse community, it NEEDS to change. And that means people like me saying so, loudly.</p>
<p>Me, I’m okay with that, as long as I get it some of the time.</p>
<p>Colleen– Thank you, honey.</p>
<p>Glenda– I appreciate you saying so. Thanks.</p>
<p>Robyn– Hey, absolutely, get out to some. For every person who blows it, there’s probably a couple people you’d love meeting. Trouble is, you really need to make the effort to get into people’s faces and say hi, otherwise it might not be the winning experience you’d hope. :P</p>
<p>And thanks. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
		<link>http://cuntinglinguist.com/2009/09/pecking-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-12506</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because I’m not GEEKING about social media doesn’t make me irrelevant.

Haha, Amen!! :D

Great post by the way. Perhaps I should head to a few &quot;Tweetups&quot; myself one of these days!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because I’m not GEEKING about social media doesn’t make me irrelevant.</p>
<p>Haha, Amen!! :D</p>
<p>Great post by the way. Perhaps I should head to a few “Tweetups” myself one of these days!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenda Watson Hyatt</title>
		<link>http://cuntinglinguist.com/2009/09/pecking-order.html/comment-page-1#comment-12505</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenda Watson Hyatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Steff! These thoughts needing voicing and you said them beautifully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Steff! These thoughts needing voicing and you said them beautifully.</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen Luttman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen Luttman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVED this blog Stef! Keep up the great scribing. Always a treat to read. :)
.-= Colleen Luttman&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/whatlolawants/statuses/3757459148&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whatlolawants: Good morning all. What&#039;s shakin&#039;?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVED this blog Stef! Keep up the great scribing. Always a treat to read. :)<br />
<span class="cluv"> Colleen Luttman´s last blog ..<a href="http://twitter.com/whatlolawants/statuses/3757459148" rel="nofollow">whatlolawants: Good morning all. What’s shakin’?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://cuntinglinguist.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Raul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post, Steff

Truth be told, I do write for myself, and your post reminds me of the many reasons why I write for myself. I&#039;ve started a &quot;Raul is going to be a bit of a recluse&quot; season and one of the reasons is precisely because I can feel the cliques emerging.

I have worked REALLY hard at making the Vancouver Blogger Meetup inclusive, and I do seriously hope I can continue doing so. I want the space to be a welcoming one, and I want my friends to know that no matter what, they&#039;ll be in my life regardless of skin color, sexual orientation or body abilities.

Thanks for this, Steff. And for being you.
.-= Raul&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hummingbird604.com/2009/09/03/where-is-the-diversity-in-social-media-conferences/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Where is the diversity in social media conferences?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, Steff</p>
<p>Truth be told, I do write for myself, and your post reminds me of the many reasons why I write for myself. I’ve started a “Raul is going to be a bit of a recluse” season and one of the reasons is precisely because I can feel the cliques emerging.</p>
<p>I have worked REALLY hard at making the Vancouver Blogger Meetup inclusive, and I do seriously hope I can continue doing so. I want the space to be a welcoming one, and I want my friends to know that no matter what, they’ll be in my life regardless of skin color, sexual orientation or body abilities.</p>
<p>Thanks for this, Steff. And for being you.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Raul´s last blog ..<a href="http://hummingbird604.com/2009/09/03/where-is-the-diversity-in-social-media-conferences/" rel="nofollow">Where is the diversity in social media conferences?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://cuntinglinguist.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate to the &quot;be like Switzerland, friends with everyone… and holding the really good chocolate&quot; comment. I have been like that my whole life. Thanks for the post Stef.

Twitter: @jaypiddy
.-= JP &#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/JaypiddysBlog/~3/XeFla9fhz8U/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Blurb about my new book***Update***&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to the “be like Switzerland, friends with everyone… and holding the really good chocolate” comment. I have been like that my whole life. Thanks for the post Stef.</p>
<p>Twitter: @jaypiddy<br />
<span class="cluv"> JP ´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/JaypiddysBlog/~3/XeFla9fhz8U/" rel="nofollow">A Blurb about my new book***Update***</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://cuntinglinguist.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Tris Hussey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tris Hussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D.
.-= Tris Hussey&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ViewFromTheIsleByLarixConsulting/~3/xzYLOwwFv_I/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;And the geeks shall inherit the Earth…&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:D.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Tris Hussey´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ViewFromTheIsleByLarixConsulting/~3/xzYLOwwFv_I/" rel="nofollow">And the geeks shall inherit the Earth…</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://cuntinglinguist.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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