Written less than 24 hours after Ghomeshi’s infamous Facebook tirade in which he claimed he was a victim of CBC and fired for no cause, this post wound up getting over 200,000 visits & helped change the discourse in Canada. Today Ghomeshi’s case is waiting to be tried and it’s hard to believe I ever felt the urge to write this.
It’s strange when a shooting can bring my country together and then, just four days later, a radio guy accused of serial aggravated abuse can rip us apart. Weird week, bro.
Last night, I had to brace myself so I didn’t explode in anger and unfriend everyone I felt was jumping to defend a guy who’s doing Scandal Management 101 to the tee.
The problem when you jump to defend the accused is it ends up making the accuser or victims feel like they’ve just been assaulted all over again. That’s easier to stomach when you can say “But HEY, they’re not coming forward, so they can’t be serious.” No, it’s you who can’t be serious. You can’t hear the accused’s spin-cycle and then make your decision then and there — but so many of you already have.
I’m getting ahead of myself. Let’s look at this from all the angles.
The Background & a BDSM Primer
Jian Ghomeshi jumped into action Sunday the moment CBC fired him. It was within a couple hours that he had stated there’d be a $50 million suit to defend his good name, and then he posted a long “My dad is dead, my show was wrenched from my hands, and I’ve been a good soldier for the CBC” kinda sob story that masterfully framed the conversation.
(A “good soldier” the week one of our own is gunned down in cold blood? Motherfucker. Don’t even — And 100,000 likes in under 24 hours? I weep for objectivity.)
But here are the allegations he was jumping in front of, according to The Toronto Star:
“The three women interviewed by the Star allege that Ghomeshi physically attacked them on dates without consent. They allege he struck them with a closed fist or open hand; bit them; choked them until they almost passed out; covered their nose and mouth so that they had difficulty breathing; and that they were verbally abused during and after sex.”
Ghomeshi, though, wants you to think this is all about BDSM and how he’s forward-thinking but his bosses aren’t. He “framed” the discussion by claiming he has edgy sex preferences, and the big, boring government broadcaster isn’t hip to alternative sex lives.
Anyone involved in BDSM knows BDSM is not how the public perceives it. People joke about “safe words,” but in the BDSM community, the safe word is sacred. There is a widespread understanding amongst even hardcore BDSM fans that sadomasochism is all about trust and power — except that power is never held by the person with the whip in hand.
In the BDSM world, it’s the person being hit, choked, bound, or whatever else they fancy, that holds 100% of the control. It’s understood that if that safe word is even whispered, fun time is over. Period. No discussion, no whining, no pleading. Over.
Why is it so strict? Because folks in this lifestyle understand that these beatings, the choking, it can all go horribly awry and death is an accident away. That’s why you actually very rarely ever hear of deaths stemming from BDSM practice — there are rules and ethics in play. Always.
You Spin Me Right Round
Ghomeshi and co. (since his Facebook letter was almost certainly orchestrated by the country’s leading “reputation recovery” and “crisis management” PR firm, Navigator Ltd.), decided to frame this whole thing as an invasion of the bedroom and mutual consent.
After all, this is Canada, where “What Happens in Bedrooms Stays in Bedrooms.” This has been thus since 1969, the year itself a cute little joke. That’s when Trudeau declared the government had no business in the bedroom of consenting Canadians. As a result, gay rights took hold here long before they did in most countries, and we’re more sexually relaxed than our southern neighbours will ever be. We can consider ourselves a leader in the bedroom, and that’s awesome.
For that reason, Canadians take bedroom privacy very seriously, and rightly so. I’m a huge fan of sexual freedoms and the right to practice, and love, as you like — as long as it’s with consent and including folks over the age of 18.
So whether it’s Ghomeshi or the victim, this all comes back to consent. And consent is what the alleged victims in this case insist they either did not give, or they rescinded.
That takes us back to the point of BDSM and how Ghomeshi has framed all this.
Consent Can Be Rescinded
If you read the Star’s take on these events, it seems like Ghomeshi is trying to set groundwork for a legal defense, should this escalate to court. The defense he seems to be aiming for will likely include submitting evidence via texts, etc, that he told the women ahead of time he liked it rough. They might have even talked about blindfolding, spanking, and all kinds of other behaviour some say is “alternative” in tastes.
So even the would-be defense, then, would have you believe this amounts to consent.
But that’s the amateur’s take on the BDSM world and everyone should understand that expressing a mutual interest in sex before a date doesn’t mean it’s carte blanche for hours, days, or weeks later. Their exchanges should not be considered evidence of what might’ve happened much, much later.
The nature of the safe word is that it means EVERYTHING STOPS the moment it is said. It doesn’t matter if you’ve paid a million dollars to do what you planned to do next, the safe word is like a giant “void” stamp that makes the entire sexual roadmap null and void.
And anyone who truly embraces the BDSM community gets this. Do you know who doesn’t get this? People who want to use the alternative lifestyle to camouflage their desire to beat, rape, and commit other crimes against unwilling parties.
Because, sometimes, not having consent is its own fetish for those for whom sex is a pathological need.
A Denial Is Always True — WHAT?
Let’s drop the BDSM and alternative lifestyle arguments and get down to the rest of it.
So many folks were babbling on with this argument last night: “But if he really did it, there’s NO WAY he would write such a long thing saying that he didn’t do it!”
Yeah, and Clinton would never have said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” if he’d slept with Lewinsky. And Richard Nixon would never have said “I am not a crook” if he were guilty.
Are you serious with this? Really? Someone who’s committed a crime would be suddenly so scared of being caught that they wouldn’t tell a lie? I’d like to know what it is you’re smoking, because I want some too, if you please. Sounds fun to live in that land of rainbows and kittens.
If they have committed the crime, then they are absolutely inclined to lie about it. That’s Criminal Behaviour 101 and it makes Ghomeshi’s entire Facebook session a moot story.
But His Voice Is Like Chocolate And I Love Him
Of course, let’s not forget the fans. The people who think Ghomeshi is charming and spins a good yarn. But of course a storyteller couldn’t possibly be a serial abuser. That would never happen.
Just like such a lovely, quirky old guy like Jimmy Savile, the darling of the BBC, a knight of the British Empire, and a popular TV host for DECADES could never be guilty of sexual abuse either. His defenders said he was such a visible persona for so long there was no way he could hide his deviance.
In fact, Savile was so insulated inside the BBC that rumours swirled for decades and allegations of a cover-up even today are so far-reaching it’ll make your head spin. There are at present well over 200 witnesses in the Savile case and yet it was kept quiet for DECADES.
There’s a sticky wicket for those in charge: Do you stand by your star that has made an empire inside your broadcasting corporation, or do you distance yourself?
Before Ghomeshi, BBC was alone in this corporate-star-scandal experience. Perhaps they felt if they cut Savile off, they’d open themselves up to litigation from claimants. Who knows. But now he’s dead and the victims are emboldened by the day, and the ripples are still spreading.
CBC’s left looking across the pond at the Motherland and realizing this case could have cash and legal implications for the BBC for years. Do they want to stick their neck out and defend a guy who, by all appearances, has had a pretty solid case shaping up under the deft hands of one of Canada’s premiere investigative reporters?
CBC’s Walk-Walk-Walkin’ Right Out That Door
As a taxpayer, I think CBC has done the only thing it can do. It’s walked away, likely on strong advice from lawyers who have probably seen the evidence brought forward by acclaimed media/investigative journalist Jesse Brown.
So now the general public’s argument is, “Well, if the Star doesn’t have proof, they should shut up.”
Well, not having hard proof didn’t stop the Star from doing one hell of an investigative case on Mayor Rob Ford and his crack addiction. They went after him like a dog on a bone, and everything they wrote proved so true that the OPP were involved, and still are.
The Toronto Star has a long history of investigative reporting. They do it very, very, very well. In 2012, their massive local investigation led to widespread sackings and reform in the Toronto School Board.
Because this is what good journalists do, and I don’t give a shit what your thoughts on journalism are — there are a LOT of good journos out there who got involved in the industry because they were tired of powerful people getting away with stuff, little guys getting the shaft, and corporations writing new rulebooks as they go along.
There are idealists in journalism, and more than a few can be found at the Toronto Star — and other papers across the country.
And You Would Come Forward?
Next you have the crowd shouting “Well, the victims won’t come forward. If they’re really victims, then they would come forward. Cowards!”
Oh, and you would?
Let’s imagine this. You’re some young girl, about 25, with dreams of making it in journalism or music. You somehow run into Ghomeshi at an event. He wows you with his pretty smile. Next day, he finds you on Facebook and says how he found something you wrote, or heard a song you did, and would love to talk to you about it.
Somehow, you’re flustered and proud, and the exchange gets flirty as it progresses, you say a few things that position you as a fan of sexual escapades, favourable towards BDSM, and yes you’d love to have a crantini at 9.
But then everything goes sideways. Choking, beating, whatever it is. That happens.
In the morning, you wake abused. But you’re still a 25-year-old kid who hasn’t even gotten her career started yet. The guy you were with is a millionaire radio guy who’s the face of a national broadcasting corporation.
First you need to contend with a well-sculpted public persona. Then you need to lose credibility in the press as some nobody-nothing who’s got “everything to gain” (except a career, respect, trust, or friends) from making accusations. Then you need to deal with the cops investigating you, and finally, your mom, dad, and whole family being embarrassed that you’re not only sexually promiscuous, but you’ve explored BDSM and were apparently willing to do it with a guy you only met once.
And all of this is before it ever reaches a court. This is all in WEEK ONE of a drama that could conceivably drag on for years, all with you at the forefront as the evil bitch who’s wrecking the career of everyone’s favourite cultural radio dude.
But, hey, yeah, you, you’re tough enough to do all that. You’re big enough to take on the machine. You’d have no excuses. You’d “trust” that the authorities and the media were going to treat you fairly. YOU WOULD DO THIS.
Is that about right? You’re that big on making a stand that you could handle this — even if you were some naive fresh-outta-school girl dreaming of a new career?
When’s the last time you busted someone at work for stealing supplies? When’s the last time you called someone out for a racist comment? When’s the last time you put your reputation on the line to fight someone in a position of authority? When’s the last time you stood up to anyone about ANYTHING — not to mention in front of police, the media, and an entire country?
Oh, never? Then shut the fuck up about why these girls aren’t coming forward. They’ve more to lose than you ever will.
But How Do I Really Feel?
Every single person giving Ghomeshi the benefit of the doubt and then saying “Why doesn’t his accuser come forward? How dare they?” is kidding themselves that they’re simply “waiting for facts.” They’ve already picked their sides.
I’m opting to believe that a massive broadcaster who has stood by its star’s side through YEARS of industry insider gossip about what a creep its star is, but then finally severs the relationship after an investigative journalist pores over his life for MONTHS, probably had pretty good cause to walk away.
I’m gonna believe a newspaper who’s made their name around the world through high-quality, groundbreaking investigation in the last three years probably decided it was worth the risk of a $50,000,000 lawsuit to expose someone who’s claiming he’s Mr. Good Guy and that it’s all “jilted ex-lover” innuendo — if only for public safety.
I’m choosing to remember people like Phil Spector, who was legendary in the music industry but had a widespread reputation for violence and extreme behaviour, and who couldn’t be touched, until one day he killed someone.
Where I come from, being a pretty, well-spoken man doesn’t mean you can’t be an absolute monster behind closed doors.
If these accusations were levelled against Don Cherry instead, for instance, we’d have had a very different discussion this morning.
It might be “innocent until proven guilty,” but that gives no one the excuse of calling the accusers names, belittling them as having something they’re after, or accusing them of being greedy little whores who just want their fame and limelight.
Oh, and not for nothing, all this discussion is about a man who wanted to “debate” whether “rape culture” even exists. Or have we all forgotten that little explosion from March of this year?
All She Wrote
Talk to anyone well-established in the music promotion business, and they’ll tell you rumours of Ghomeshi’s behaviours have circulated for years, but no one has dared kill the goose who laid the public broadcasting golden egg.
I, for one, can’t wait for this investigation to proceed, and I’m pretty confident that there’s no road back for Ghomeshi after this story breaks wide, wide open.
And I’m wishing for all it’s worth that every woman who may have had this happen to her at his hands will come forward.
Can’t get enough? I did a radio interview on Vancouver’s CKNW (Tuesday, Oct. 28) about both BDSM and consent, and why those claims kind of don’t wash here. You can listen to that on this page at CKNW.
Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghomeshigate
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Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/r8XlpAHJIL via @SnarkySteff <—- A must read IMO
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @DeeDennis: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/r8XlpAHJIL via @SnarkySteff <—- A must read IMO
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @DeeDennis: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/r8XlpAHJIL via @SnarkySteff <—- A must read IMO
http://t.co/e9IQte2ZkY via @SnarkySteff – a must read and perspective on #ghomeshigate
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @DeeDennis: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/r8XlpAHJIL via @SnarkySteff <—- A must read IMO
A good read: Reading http://t.co/oW3UYSYnOs #Ghomeshi
RT @SnarkySteff Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/NI2wa41XOY
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Excellent, must-read. MT @snarkysteff: my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/QK9sIvplbx #ghomeshigate
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @bmeckie: A good read: Reading http://t.co/oW3UYSYnOs #Ghomeshi
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
“And I’m wishing for all it’s worth that every woman who may have had this happen to her at his hands will come… http://t.co/Afxog0rVdh
Accusations are Always True – WHAT?
RT @DeeDennis: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/r8XlpAHJIL via @SnarkySteff <—- A must read IMO
RT @jdlh: Excellent, must-read. MT @snarkysteff: my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/QK9sIvplbx #ghomeshigate
Indeed. RT @jdlh: Excellent, must-read. MT @snarkysteff: my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/YyK0rrmkBI #ghomeshigate
@melaniekarin Thank you! My most shared Cunt piece ever. You might have faved a tweet I deleted, so link: http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6
Excellent read: In BDSM, person with the whip never holds the power. MT @SnarkySteff My take on #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/DMbOhLMsl3
“The problem when you jump to defend the accused is it ends up making the accuser or victims feel like they’ve just been assaulted all over again.” Sorry, sister, but that right there is an assumption of guilt and negates any claim you may have on neutrality.
Good thing I don’t purport to be neutral, then. I make it pretty clear I’m drinking the Kool-aid when it comes to trusting investigative reporting over a “But you really love me” plea of innocence from someone with a long reputation of doing these things he’s alleged to have done.
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @SnarkySteff Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing – my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit http://t.co/5Kj5NikiY7
RT @MHStewart: Excellent read: In BDSM, person with the whip never holds the power. MT @SnarkySteff My take on #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t…
This is the best piece so far. http://t.co/2UrpxvXrBm #ghomeshi
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Right on. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/VUTV37upVp
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/ExHmp7LMP5
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @MontgomerySue: Right on. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/VUTV37upVp
RT @MontgomerySue: Right on. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/VUTV37upVp
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/LdkdDgCkpH
Thanks @tgrevatt for sharing what is the best analysis I have read yet. http://t.co/SVW35hdEwH
This has captured so much that I agree with: #JianGhomeshi vs the CBC http://t.co/lg5cy2Os8e
A perspective I find useful, esp. for those wondering why the women don’t come forward. Jian vs the CBC. http://t.co/qOq1Xsho8n
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/kNXt2agacx
Steff, you’re doing exactly what you implore others not to do – jump to conclusions.
You aren’t privy to the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Maybe in a warped way you want to be able to say you got in early and got it right?
But you’re no better than the blind supporters in this.
Wait for all the facts to come out.
Jack Nicholson beats escorts and gets away with it and he still is fawned over by many cool dudes and dudettes everywhere. There are many other “blind items” about serious celebrities that have beaten their partners in not so consensual beatings – and they still make music and make films (look them up – they are from credible sources even if they don’t reveal names bc of risk of being sued etc). Dr. Dre beat a woman reporter he didn’t like – he’s still around. Perhaps you need lots of money to get away with such things. Everyone knew Jian was a sleazy creep – who would go out with him in the first place? But the bigger creep is Harper who advocates killing innocents abroad and making Aboriginal people and environmentalists deemed to be terrorists. Violence is violence. The women have every right to go to the police – who will charge Jian and then let the courts decide. Otherwise, lets worry about what Harper is doing to our country in the face of using a sick individual’s shooting on Wednesday to scare the sheeple into more of his shenanigans.
“@TerreChartrand: This has captured so much that I agree with: #JianGhomeshi vs the CBC http://t.co/zSDuiOeb3p” brilliant!!!
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Pretty solid stuff: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/tOsLktR0vw
RT @MHStewart: Excellent read: In BDSM, person with the whip never holds the power. MT @SnarkySteff My take on #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @niftynotcool: Pretty solid stuff: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/tOsLktR0vw
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Zy4WZUDm00
RT @Studio1402: Thanks @tgrevatt for sharing what is the best analysis I have read yet. http://t.co/SVW35hdEwH
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/sMAAnqvNW2
@matwilcox @TorStarEditor Thanks, Mat! For the editor (nod/wink): http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6
RT @matwilcox: A well thought out excellent read on #ghomeshigate by @SnarkySteff . Covers it all and then some. @TorStarEditor http://t.co…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Thank goodness I wasn’t the only who was buying the sob story. #Ghomeshi http://t.co/fXeUZNPgHW
RT @matwilcox: A well thought out excellent read on #ghomeshigate by @SnarkySteff . Covers it all and then some. @TorStarEditor http://t.co…
http://t.co/Inlqljc1SO very well written piece.
Pretty much sums it up.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/biLMLHVbcB
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist – http://t.co/l1i7zGTns0
Bang on, Steff! You said it. When you take away the “clever PR spin”, therein lies the truth. Or at least the truth starts to unfold. Time will tell.
RT @matwilcox: A well thought out excellent read on #ghomeshigate by @SnarkySteff . Covers it all and then some. @TorStarEditor http://t.co…
brilliant! *slow clap* “Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/A5L15ADuBE
Of all the things you can read about this topic, detour to this one.
I don’t wholeheartedly agree with her but… http://t.co/wUJjS4HdH1
RT @MHStewart: Excellent read: In BDSM, person with the whip never holds the power. MT @SnarkySteff My take on #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t…
An insightful and well written look at the Jian Ghomeshi debaucle – http://t.co/pwx6cW4DrP
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @bmeckie: A good read: Reading http://t.co/oW3UYSYnOs #Ghomeshi
What the fuck was the point of this biased piece? Consent or not? Full stop RT @RallyMD: http://t.co/OiUiW5KzY8 very well written piece.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/9t0nT1O4Oj #ghomeshi
RT @MHStewart: Excellent read: In BDSM, person with the whip never holds the power. MT @SnarkySteff My take on #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/S2NNzzwiFt
Just wanted to say how much I like your informed article on the Jian/Accuser/CBC drama.
My take is that everything both Jian and the unnamed accusers have said could be true. A few takeaways:
A slight tangent:
1. Jian is rumoured to be a prolific celeb player (and a very bad BSDM ambassador) and if you were to investigate his many past dates as he claims the Star has done, it might be easy to find a few bad dates (it happens even in the Kink scene). Either way serious lines have been crossed, communication has broken down but it is hard to say statistically whether those two things are a trend or an anomaly, without further evidence. I don’t think any in the Kink community would want investigations into their past sexual liaisons, as we all know experiences can get framed by time and other factors. In-the-moment can become in-the-regret for both tops and bottoms, despite all safety measures being taken. I think communication lines do get crossed in the community with inexperienced people that is not out of malice, your take is rather black and white. The only question I have for those three women is, were you clear in the moment (or even afterward) to Jian that what happened was unacceptable?
Some people are attracted to chocolate, even the bitter kind.
2. He seems to pick younger fans who may not be experienced (xojane article as only proof) which may another sad kink, making him predatory/creepy. I take him at his word he got prior consent to the kink, (only because it was lawyer vetted/Star mentioned it) so obviously the women thought they could handle it but didn’t fully know what they were getting into, and he certainly didn’t respect boundaries.
“I got in over my head and that bastard tried to drown me instead of being my lifeguard – I feel stupid it happened to me but I would like to warn others without it destroying my life.”
3. If those woman said it went beyond their acceptable boundaries, even if they did not explicitly state it at the time, it did. For whatever reasons they want to stay anonymous and not involve the authorities, it is their choice, if they never come forward that is just fine.
CBC got its walking shoes on late.
4. The employee incident should have been handled properly by the CBC originally, totally unacceptable that it wasn’t taken seriously.
Excellent article.
1st of all Robin Williams died of auto erotic asphyxiation so kinky acts can be fatal. 2nd I think Jian deserves some praise for being open about his kinky behaviour. Has a public figure of his reach EVER expressed this openly about it?? I am not sure. Yes, it conveniently saves his ass but after knowing a few more facts about what happened we will have a much better idea if Jian is the creep you liken him to. Also for someone who claims not to do celebrity gossip you do it graciously.
Robin Williams died of SUICIDE. Get your facts STRAIGHT, then maybe we’ll talk.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/my7oprJbPf
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
Take 2: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/AbCtVzD3hl
A truly vital piece of writing – thank you!
Had some problems getting this page to load, but, I’m very glad to have got through to reading this post!
Thanks, Adrian! I’ve been killing myself to get the stupid thing to work for the last two hours. Going viral — nice problem to have! 🙂
RT @caron_penhall: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Hni0XukcnL http://t.co/Hni0XukcnL
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/FkeAIUZm83
MT “@SnarkySteff: Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/rG2LbU03es” @bruce_arthur
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/GIfTVRk7wr Well said! Reason will always prevail.
via .@Blubdha → read this http://t.co/fSo5fNqVQu re Jian’s mistakes in the lies he’s telling. Very well explained. I learned a lot.
Thx 4 it
This op article is worth the full read. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/6Bi0j5ks4O
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/vrBUhXSNi3 http://t.co/vrBUhXSNi3
Probably the best I’ve read yet. RT: http://t.co/elQoaSnyJe
RT @katieboland: Probably the best I’ve read yet. RT: http://t.co/elQoaSnyJe
RT @MHStewart: Excellent read: In BDSM, person with the whip never holds the power. MT @SnarkySteff My take on #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/wUBuaX5FQc
RT @katieboland: Probably the best I’ve read yet. RT: http://t.co/elQoaSnyJe
THIS IS THE BEST BRAIN BONER INDUCING JUSTICE SLAM EVER: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/RlxCcBGZj5 #IWISHiwrotethiswell #Hallelujah #AMEN
Best share ever! Thanks. 🙂
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/rl6ZwlHbWB
I’ve been around for a long time. I know a lot about BDSM negotiations and I agree about their importance and about the sanctity of safewords.
And I also know that people sometimes agree to do things that they imagine might be fun but when things get underway what happens isn’t what they expected. It’s not so much fun, after all. That’s when a safeword should be used, but not everyone will use it. Many people in submissive roles will consider that what’s going on isn’t pleasant but they’re not in danger of being harmed, so they don’t say the word. Sometimes they may be concerned that their play partner will be disappointed if they use the word or that they won’t want to be with them again, and so they don’t say the word. They let things carry on until the scene ends.
The best thing would be to talk about their discomfort then, but they may not choose to do that at the time, or later, or a few days later. They may not want to upset their play partner. They may feel ashamed of themselves for having gone through with the scene. They may blame the partner for not knowing that they weren’t having a good time. We have to be realistic about this: even in fully consensual encounters many people imagine that the ones they play with can somehow read their minds or bodies and will just “know” what’s working and what isn’t.
If the other person doesn’t know that they had difficulty with the scene, that they didn’t enjoy it, or that it was fine until X happened, whose fault is that?
We can negotiate consent as fully as possible, but if all parties are not willing to follow the rules and halt a scene when they need to, they’re not being honest.
You’ve decided that complaints against Jian Ghomeshi must be valid even though we don’t actually know what happened. You think they’re true because you believe that “everyone knows” he’s a sleezy guy because of “rumours” in the music industry. And it seems that you think that anonymous women should be believed without any evidence just because the rules for BDSM negotiation are so clear.
The rules are clear, provided that the parties concerned are willing to halt the scene when they need to.
I think it’s entirely possible that the women may not have told JG they wanted to stop what they were doing or to switch to something else. It would have been reasonable for him to assume that they were consenting to what was going on if they didn’t use the safeword or talk to him after the scene.
Even vanilla sex doesn’t always go the way the parties hope it will. Sometimes people have needs and expectations that they haven’t declared openly in advance. Sometimes good people, with good intentions, get things wrong. If they don’t make an effort to communicate with their partner(s) about it, they can’t blame the partner(s) for that.
My questions are about what happened when these women didn’t like what they were doing with JG. Did they use the safe words? Did they ever tell him they weren’t happy? Or did they go home and set the whole thing aside until someone came asking questions, guaranteeing to protect their identities from publication, so that they could write a story about JG?
If they tried to talk to him and got nowhere, that’s a problem and JG should be held accountable for that. But if they didn’t, and if they weren’t willing to file police reports because they didn’t want to have their consent negotiations made public and they didn’t want other people to know about what they’d done, what did, and do, they want?
And by the way, you’ve said that no one should be accusing the women “of being greedy little whores who just want their fame and limelight,” even though JG didn’t say that anywhere in his statement. You should not be attributing things to him that he didn’t say.
Sounds like you have it all covered.
Witty, well written, a judge and a jury.
Guilty!
Reading http://t.co/NgiqhQXAZX
#werd Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/IMQopzW6Qj
@VyeOne ʕ•́ᴥ•̀ʔ really need you to read this article, Vye.
I learned from it, want to know what you think
http://t.co/fSo5fNqVQu
Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
.@ElizabethMay m(._.)m begging a few minutes from your time to read this → http://t.co/fSo5fNqVQu
It wld provide you w valuable info on JG
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
Pls note no holds-barred language RT “@davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/dgbH3zDgA1”
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
This is good. This is a very good piece.
Jian versus the CBC
http://t.co/7QGyd5o1zL
RT @bettiforde: #werd Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/IMQopzW6Qj
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
A *very interesting* 2,500 words on #GhomeshiGate by @SnarkySteff. http://t.co/U6ToIR8ogo
RT @promeritum: This is good. This is a very good piece.
Jian versus the CBC
http://t.co/7QGyd5o1zL
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
This is a must-read. Beware the language. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/K3Z8uqY1GG
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
Finally http://t.co/mpYFnc6dNB
@NadineLumley (ㆆ_ㆆ) Sad, indeed.
If you look at my TL you’ll see a link I sent her.
Please read it?
http://t.co/fSo5fNqVQu
http://t.co/EfKVeLScZT
Well-written:
#JianGhomeshi Versus the #CBC
http://t.co/3AECXD9tli
There once was a creep named Jian
Who couldn’t keep it in his jians
He smiled and he hit
Saying it don’t hurt a bit
But they went and turned off his enjian.
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
Great commentary. Very eloquently stated.
And you might very well be right…
The only bug in the ointment is that we are indeed dealing with the CBC, which is no longer the CBC we’ve known and loved all these years. The current board of the CBC is almost entirely Harper-appointment, and the majority of appointees are PR-specialists.
And as we’ve seen with Duffy, Wallin, Brazeau… and especially Helena Guergis, it is not as if this particular government doesn’t have a pattern of cutting people loose with little to no due process (or using personal information against them, ex: Sean Bruyea, a veteran whose mental health medical history was being used to discredit him).
Helena Guergis, in particular, was vilified based on “information” which came to their attention, allegedly via a private investigator. Her career was ruined… and ultimately there was nothing to it.
With that said however, The Toronto Star does indeed have a reputation for doing things very well.
So much so that when I first heard of this story via another publication, my initial bias was that this was just another way for rid the CBC of what attracts Canadians to it, in order to financially cripple it (ex: Gone are Hockey Night in Canada, MacLean & Cherry, Strombo, etc.) so as to later privatize or kill it. But reading the Toronto Star’s version of the story (given how right it was re: Rob Ford) — and the amount of detail to it — the pendulum immediately swung the other for me.
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it survives this.
RT @michaeldreid: This is a must-read. Beware the language. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/K3Z8uqY1GG
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
.@concretefluff The problem when you jump to defend the accused is…. http://t.co/6PhtxXL2aH
RT @rmfaris: Pls note no holds-barred language RT “@davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/dgbH3zDg…
“@michaeldreid: This is a must read. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/yoc3N2Jm1s”
#JianGhomeshi vs #CBC http://t.co/kYhA268dng #RapeCulture
The author here has obviously taken sides which is dubious at best: The CBC had no right to fire this guy: NONE: Their is not even an investigation into the allegations, let alone charges: or I dare say a conviction: only after a conviction should the CBC possibly fire anyone: this is Canada right??????????? 🙂
LOL. You need to read up on laws, friend. But, hey, don’t believe me. Believe the Financial Post.
Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/rEgqUps5eu #jiangate
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
@SnarkySteff I believe you’re spot on. http://t.co/NRDYejpB44
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/9aZE9gwmFe
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/nuzouvtGKv A must-read for #Ghomeshi fans
Just, um, wow @SnarkySteff on #JianGhomeshi http://t.co/U9JIBk1UKv #jiangate
Damn good write up: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/3642M7cLrz
RT @ihmurria: Damn good write up: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/3642M7cLrz
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
Wow. I found this very worth reading. http://t.co/NM24LuNRFL
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
@lazin_ryder MT @tessvanstraaten: Good post by @SnarkySteff. Worth a read (even if you’ve hit limit on #JianGhomeshi) http://t.co/auyI3gchEX
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/A2GJ8MyweF
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
Vital writing! Thanks for your honesty and passion.
It’s outrageous that the pre-emptive spin of Jian/Navigator PR has sucked in so many with its calculated framing of things.
Of course, that’s what those folks do – but, still, the stench is high when a press release from a radio personality – who likes to beat up women who say they don’t want to beaten by him – is seeded with lines such as:
“I have always tried to be a good soldier and do a good job for my country.”
(as you’ve noted – exploiting a nation’s feelings in a week of tragic shootings of Canadian soldiers)
You’ve cut through the pr fog – thank you!
Thank you again. Really stoked that it’s reaching folks. I was so outraged Sunday and just couldn’t abide by what was being said in his defense.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/bbtfqGy6OZ Thoughtful & timely thanks for the straight talk,Let’s face needed to be said.Courts w decide
How would you like it if your means for survival depended on what people thought of your private sex life? Doesn’t something strike you as a little strange, here? Suppose the definition of “normal private sex life” changes and your own private sex life (1) is no longer private (2) is no longer normal (3) is used to decide whether or not you merit gainful employment. How would you feel? Would you feel this to be unfair? Would you feel violated, that is, mentally raped? Hmm? How would you feel? I mean, do you people have brains, and if so, do you use them? Do you know what awful door to totalitarianism you’re opening by judging whether a person gets to live based on something of theirs which is supposedly private, hmm?
Let me ask you a question: suppose you have your way and Ghomeshi is crucified in the Canadian public eye? Would you want to complete your “moral upstanding good deed” by masturbating in his underwear, too? Because that’s what you’re doing by pursuing this disgustingly idiotically stupid lack of reasoning. I mean, really, why don’t you apply yourselves to a REAL problem, hmm? Stop all wars for ever, as you promised in the Treaty of Versailles, for example. Or, end poverty for ever, for example. Or, fix the environment of Earth that you broke, humans! USE YOUR BRAINS!!
IF THEY DIDN’T GIVE CONSENT, THAT ISN’T A SEX LIFE. THAT’S A CRIME.
It’s math, genius. Do some.
IF
A big IF.
IF he is Guilty, Hang him. IF.
Do you even know what’s going on here? Do you realize that all the people you’re trying to needle to death with you’re inane hmmmm’ing already has a sex life that would be considered aberrant to at least one of their employers. Are you forgetting the BDSM is private but also the mainstream kind of private that we make jokes about on major sit coms? Are you really dim enough to believe that this is about weird sex?
As stated in the post; bdsm is a choice and the biggest part of the decision to do it, IS consent. Any mildly intelligent life form is NOT attacking his fetish. They are attacking the fact he goes to criminal lengths to act of that fetish. The way the scenes pkay out, Jian is literally a fuckin’ monster. ANYONE should be able to sense discomfort in a partner, so even if they DIDNT use a pre determined safe word, the fact they were NOT having a good time should have been enough of a signal to fuckin stop.
The CBC did the right thing. Actually the right thing would have been to look into this shit earlier, BUT in the face of what’s happening now, they made the right choice.
Anyone who ever takes advantage of a sexual partner in a way that is not totally backed by legitimate consent deserves to be penniless and alone.
Fuck Jian and fuck you too dude.
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
@SnarkySteff Man thats a good read http://t.co/wY09gN1xGZ well written. makes you wonder and sad at the same time #JianGhomeshi
RT @katieboland: Probably the best I’ve read yet. RT: http://t.co/elQoaSnyJe
RT @bettiforde: #werd Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/IMQopzW6Qj
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
RT @nicolebarry204: Wow. I found this very worth reading. http://t.co/NM24LuNRFL
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/v9TRdo0odS http://t.co/v9TRdo0odS
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6
RT @prairietara: The defining piece on #JianGhomeshi versus the #CBC http://t.co/bGqgtxhrwI. I am afraid the CBC might be right. I hope it…
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
If ones employer found out you were a radical jihad supporter supporting actions such as occurred in Ottawa last week wouldn’t it be grounds for dismissal? Especially if you were vocal enough to make the public aware of it? And even more so if your job was in the public like Jian’s. I’m not offended by Jian’s bedroom practices at all. But, really, did he have to tell everyone like he did with his Facebook post! There is more to this story and I’m thinking it won’t be on Jian’s favour.
RT @CopperBronzed: @calmecam (ㆆ_ㆆ) So glad you asked.
Maybe this will help → http://t.co/fSo5fNqVQu
Have you read it?
JG = known for th…
RT @Tamia_Baez: @SnarkySteff Man thats a good read http://t.co/wY09gN1xGZ well written. makes you wonder and sad at the same time #JianGhom…
This article is awesome! Thank you!!!
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
This is such a good article! Thank you!!!
‼️http://t.co/zhGpPcMdAy
@calmecam @NadineLumley @CopperBronzed @ElizabethMay
RT @BeingUncosmo: #JianGhomeshi vs #CBC http://t.co/kYhA268dng #RapeCulture
Enjoyed this piece written by @SnarkySteff, much is being discussed, with disgust. @jianghomeshi @MarjorieReinoso http://t.co/feyT2EVYzc
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
No nerve to call out Mr-More-Than-12-Items-in-Express-Lane yet expect someone to call out Mr. CBC? http://t.co/CE84nyszuV via @SnarkySteff
LOL. Nice one. I wish I had put “Have you ever even called out a coworker for drinking from your office cup?” too.
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
#Thoughtful & #thoughtprovoking take on #GianGomeshi Worth the read & the #reflections it will bring. http://t.co/9cQkYdBXJC
More great writing on #JianGhomeshi via @SnarkySteff http://t.co/QJd6otYkZh
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/wUzyegt0rJ http://t.co/wUzyegt0rJ
A good read on Jian Ghomeshi vs The CBC vs The BDSM community. http://t.co/IaU6J0BlYV (A bit NSFW, mostly relevant to Canadians)
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/R4CMIfw33x
RT @_AmandaFoley: A good read on Jian Ghomeshi vs The CBC vs The BDSM community. http://t.co/IaU6J0BlYV (A bit NSFW, mostly relevant to Can…
RT @tessvanstraaten: Well-written post by @SnarkySteff and worth a read (even if you’ve hit your limit on #JianGhomeshi posts) http://t.co/…
Excellent analysis. A+ Every doubter should read this.
Excellent analysis. A+ Every doubter should read this.
THANK YOU. I couldn’t have said it better myself. As the parent of a young female journalism grad, I very much was thinking all the things you made clear. Well done. We await the unfolding of the story, but also, he’s just a radio interviewer and when push comes to shove, who really gives a shit about him losing his show? Whatever.
I have to believe the women if only because if there’s a 1% chance that they are telling the truth they shouldn’t be victimized again.
HOWEVER, I am uneasy with the way this is being handled. The victims going to the media instead of the cops, the media going to the readers instead of the cops, and all because in the end they might be “embarrassed”, “mountain to climb”, “hurt their careers”, “be shamed on internet”, etc? Hmmmm … versus “I am the last girl he’s going to do this to”, “oh no you didn’t”, rage, anger, but no … they kept quiet, knowing full well that there would be many a victim after them …. hmmm … as I say very very uncomfortable.
And if the tables were turned? Being accused by nameless people, with no opportunity to confront and cross examine? Hmmmm
What I wonder, is what is the end game these women expect? Because at this moment, the only thing being attacked is his reputation. But he can still go out there and assault women to his hearts delight and none of this, story, exposure etc will stop that. Not one bit. So what’s the end game really?
As I say, very very uncomfortable with the way this is being done ….
The media went to THEM. They did not come forward, the media searched them out. They told their stories but still wouldn’t consent to disclose names or coming forward. That’s very different.
“When’s the last time you busted someone at work for stealing supplies? When’s the last time you called someone out for a racist comment? etc.” Exactly. Bc I’m the kind of person who stands up and speaks out (probably too much for my own good), and it is hard. Seriously hard. To put your reputation on the line, to say what everyone’s thinking, but nobody has the balls to say, to potentially say goodbye to a lot of people’s friendship. To boot, this is sexual abuse. Which is personal, private, and about the body, the one you live in. That’s pretty close to home. Well written post.
When I read Jian’s facebook account my initial reaction was: he got consent from these women to violently assault them? I don’t know a lot about his proclivities but I do know that intending to hurt someone and hurting them is a crime, consent or not. Thank you for explaining the victims position, I think people need to understand how devastating it would be for them to expose themselves to the intense, and often destructive media attention. I’ve read much about this story and the victims seem to be villainized even before they’ve had a chance to speak.
He’s a radio guy who signed a contract that has ‘standards and practices’ in it. His off air stuff violated that contract, which is likely how the courts will rule. Second, he’s on middays, when not many people are listening. Put him on in morning drive, and he’ll get smoked. Find another gig.
I would point out that the only one at present writing about ‘BDSM’ in direct connection with this case is the accused. None of the accusers has referred to any kind of ‘alternative lifestyle’. That’s just the spin the accused has so far tried to float. Trying this thing in the press and in social media only plays into the scenario already set in motion by the accused. I do not advocate the accusers publishing their names in social or mainstream media, but I do advocate filing charges in court, but criminal and civil. That will put the facts on the table. Abuse is not legally consensual. If their was abuse, it needs to be addressed with authority. Imho.
You know, I would have enjoyed this article much more if it hadn’t begun with a comparison of last week’s events at Parliament to Ghomeshi’s sex scandal. To suggest the two are even in the same ballpark is insulting. That being said, the article has a lot of merit.
A David and Goliath situation indeed. Will Jian be able to strike back at the eye of the CBC. Q already is deflating….
RT @semharism: Great article. Seriously. http://t.co/rBcWdKqBxt #JianGhomeshi #CBC
@matttbastard I liked this one too. You might have alraedy seen it though… http://t.co/0Ug4mSf7V7
RT @anma_sa: @matttbastard I liked this one too. You might have alraedy seen it though… http://t.co/0Ug4mSf7V7
RT @semharism: Great article. Seriously. http://t.co/rBcWdKqBxt #JianGhomeshi #CBC
RT @semharism: Great article. Seriously. http://t.co/rBcWdKqBxt #JianGhomeshi #CBC
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @erlking: Excellent analysis of this whole Ghomeshi affair thus far: http://t.co/vuJeDnATee
RT @paul_francs: Great read, really puts the #JianGhomeshi thing in perspective. I hope more people come forward http://t.co/xiXe5QUv38
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
@dillon_black you’re wrong. read this http://t.co/xzerZzGQhl
RT @bigbodypresents: Excellent summary on the Jian horseshit http://t.co/q938KO8nCj via @erlking
Rumours have been around for years and no one has dared to kill the goose who laid the public broadcasting golden egg http://t.co/TTPHpFJEFr
I’d say this is one of the more well-written and honest looks at the Ghomeshi situation: http://t.co/8HF5q2odR6 @SnarkySteff #CBC
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @briangasparek: I’d say this is one of the more well-written and honest looks at the Ghomeshi situation: http://t.co/8HF5q2odR6 @SnarkyS…
RT @davidakin: Well, here’s an interesting essay: Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/3KYX8OORbr
RT @Ranylt: *mic drop* http://t.co/rn6xAyC97n #JianGhomeshi
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Ngl4R8oAQT
RT @lindsaywilliam9: Great summary of the no win situation for JG, The CBC and the fans. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/rTjctmCSdw
Great piece! Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/hf6swGfePO @snarkysteff
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
When this broke, I was prepared to say “consenting adults” a leave it at that. The lawsuit was a bluff, and he’d get his job back through a union grievance. Now I am not jumping to Jian’s defense by I am siding with innocent until proven guilty. We have only heard one side of the story, and I’m waiting to hear the other shoe drop, though how they are going to write the story without the women going on the record is beyond me. There’s nothing wrong with consentual BDSM, even taking it to the extreme of writing out BDSM contracts. But until the day when both sides drop their briefs in court, we are stuck with he said/she said. Until that day, and even after, it’s going to show that Ladies, you have to do your research and protect yourself. Know how to swim before jumping into the pool because apparently there are still sharks out there.
Well said!
L.Leavitt
informative and exhaustive. Jian Versus the CBC via @snarkysteff http://t.co/I2ksI78rnc
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @callumhughson: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/TuHSS5m6ZM
Best article I’ve read so far – Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/e563qlvUKv
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @anma_sa: @matttbastard I liked this one too. You might have alraedy seen it though… http://t.co/0Ug4mSf7V7
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Exactly this. http://t.co/rmewJHFWvl #JianGhomeshi
An interesting read Jian vs the CBC http://t.co/LVLbx1e0W8
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Z8CZWe7QUR http://t.co/Z8CZWe7QUR
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/390Bm46VD1
Brilliant piece, just so well done. Read it! •*• Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/6XY0J4vDUu
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Good argument on listening to victims, how consent can be rescinded, and why victims might not come forward: http://t.co/EwfSyHRqMj
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/9QUBW0Vtsu
RT @kait_zilla: Good argument on listening to victims, how consent can be rescinded, and why victims might not come forward: http://t.co/Ew…
This is a long article and I hope everyone will make time to read it.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/WGVitOEDCA
RT @JenniferMMc: Exactly this. http://t.co/rmewJHFWvl #JianGhomeshi
It’s amazing to me and to a lot of other CBC listeners how popular a guy with a fake line and oily persona could be to the masses. Those of us who dont pump and preen are always left scratching our heads as to how the fakes find so many willing listeners. The strong silent types who are in it for the long haul should take solace in the Samurai warrior motto “bushi no nasake” – the tender are the brave.
Let’s assume Ghomeshi crossed the line, repeatedly… That’s illegal. Why is the CBC willing to let him go quietly away?
I’m sure this controversy will help his book sales, though the reviews don’t look too favourable. There are a few 5 star reviews though. Has anyone read the book?
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00806WTV4?linkCode=wey&tag=jianghomeshi-20
There’s been much said about Ghomeshi these last few days. Some people support him while others think he should be hung. But then again, he might enjoy that. This piece however, sums it up.
“When’s the last time you busted someone at work for stealing supplies? When’s the last time you called someone out for a racist comment? When’s the last time you put your reputation on the line to fight someone in a position of authority? When’s the last time you stood up to anyone about ANYTHING — not to mention in front of police, the media, and an entire country?”
So physical and sexual assault = stealing paperclips?!?!?!?! WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK????????? So done with this BULLSHIT. CAN’T EVEN. #RAPECULTUREFAIL #GETSERIOUS
Not to stir up anything, I don’t think she’s trying to compare rape to stealing office supplies. What she’s saying, (as I understand it), is that many people aren’t even comfortable speaking out against something as small as office theft. How much more difficult is is them to speak out when it involves something like this which is so much more serious. And how awful it is that people are calling out the victims for not coming forward, when they probably couldn’t do it themselves.
Thanks, Sarah! That’s exactly it. The blog kept crashing when I tried to re-find this comment. 🙂
Totally, if people can’t even confront coworkers about theft, how dare they DEMAND abuse survivors confront their abusers?
“Ghomeshi’s defenders are wrong for taking sides when we don’t have all the information yet. However, based on that same lack of information, I conclude that he is guilty”. You make some good points, but you’re ultimately guilty of the same rush to judgment you so vehemently accused the other side of.
You’re ignoring the most important part of his post.
I, for one, had never even heard of Ghomeshi before this – so this is coming from someone who is utterly oblivious to his star standing or charms.
Yet, for now, I’m leaning towards “innocent until proven guilty” and all that jazz because of what the CBC hasn’t done: they did not refute the claim that he has evidence, that they have seen it, and that it seems to exonerate him from the initial claims. They initially were helping him defend himself after all, so clearly they had reason to believe in his innocence. This is not victim-blaming, this is not ignoring the fact consent can be taken away, and neither you nor I, or anyone will ever know if he ignored a safe word. This is a corporation that had evidence he was innocent changing it’s mind when the heat grew.
The actions so far speak more about the CBC trying to shield itself from collateral damage that the court of public opinion might sling it’s way, regardless of whether any crime was committed. If they have new evidence that changed their position, they’ve said nothing about it.
Unless I read wrong, he also says one of the accusers tried to pull back her claim, but at that point it didn’t matter due to Brown’s lead. What are we to make of that?
They can’t say jack shit because of legal reasons. They DEMOLISHED any sign of Ghomeshi in all CBC stations across the country. They’re making a BIG point by having done that so publicly and swiftly.
I agree with you A D plus a president was set that people seem to have forgotten Sook Yin Lee was almost fired by the CBC for her role in the controversial movie short bus and she had to fight to keep her job. so I do believe what is in the bedroom and a radio host personality sex life should be private but now it is not will the alleged victims come forward or not Jesse brown the freelance reporter and what will happen in the courts with this case I doubt Jian will get his Radio show back and I listen to the CBC religiously especially his show Q ..
except that in Canada women accusing rape are given a publication ban just for the asking. still no charges. you go ahead and remember Phil Spector. I chose to recall Rachel Marsden.
How is that relevant to this case? Are you paying attention? There is no sexual assault alleged by three of the women. They are saying that he ASSAULTED them. There is no provision in the Criminal Code to protect their identities in case there are charges.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
http://t.co/Px7VXhcOPm everyone should read this. If only for the clear defence of victims.
RT @PixelProject: Pls RT:Following the #JianGhomeshi multiple sexual assault case? Pls read @SnarkySteff ‘s acticle http://t.co/NgVEXFBJw0 …
RT @NRandCo: Not embracing the ‘jilted ex’ & BDSM #Ghomeshi spin? @SnarkySteff’s post is definitely worth reading: http://t.co/lEgrC2bLKz
RT @NRandCo: Not embracing the ‘jilted ex’ & BDSM #Ghomeshi spin? @SnarkySteff’s post is definitely worth reading: http://t.co/lEgrC2bLKz
All this support for #JianGhomeshi sucks. My thoughts are w/ the women he assaulted. Read this & re-tweet. http://t.co/67K6YMTF0w #jiangate
RT @AllisonElm: All this support for #JianGhomeshi sucks. My thoughts are w/ the women he assaulted. Read this & re-tweet. http://t.co/67K6…
I`m always worried about the slippery slope of accusation from anonymous sources. This opens a can of worms that can slither through all walks of life, especially in the age of open media. Accusation can`t be enough without identified sources! I don`t trust the Toronto Star to guarantee truth any more than I trust Ghomeshi`s judgement in his private behaviour. He hasn`t been charged or accused on any credible level at this point. He may be an quite the idiot but prove otherwise until someone comes clean.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Very good points,.. Way to go Kathryn Kyte!!! http://t.co/zGpcPDkIaU
Good read http://t.co/pufjhxeglG
RT @posterboy81: This blogger pretty much nails it: Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/WgmIYsJWad
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/2GbPniFmEe #JianGhomeshi
Excellent piece. http://t.co/FWLRI1nIj0
RT @posterboy81: This blogger pretty much nails it: Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/WgmIYsJWad
@aaremery @jianghomeshi read this http://t.co/LqZvXVqoFw
This piece by @SnarkySteff is very well written on #ghomeshigate
http://t.co/raGqBV0boe
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/xUfpTDdnvE
RT @grrrlmeetsworld: “How dare they?” is kidding themselves that they’re simply “waiting for facts.” They’ve already picked their sides.” h…
One of the more well-written looks at the Ghomeshi situation I’ve read http://t.co/x9VaUkAXmi
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Some good points, and some bullshit. But the minute you try to silence criticism or opinions other than your own, you’ve lost all credibility with me.
The ‘story’ isn’t that Jian is being charged by police with sexual assault, but that his alleged victims reported to a freelance reporter. They put it in the public domain, and they created the current response. This is not victim-blaming, but fair criticism, because you are not a victim until the offense has been proved. Until then, you are an alleged victim, and you control the path taken – courts or public opinion.
The saddest part is that the ‘investigation’ you refer to has the potential outcome of Jian seeing $50M, instead of 50 years.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/CCMB6nvLO9
RT @iamterryevans: GREAT article about Jian Versus the CBC – All who support him should read. It may change your mind http://t.co/mhHn5qcgj…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/0pZjnF7LEG
RT @deBeauxOs1: @asiangrrlMN @SharonLockwood8 Much written up here, as you can well imagine. This is worthy: viral. http://t.co/liZRNeC0ZM …
This is worth reading –> Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/LrIAkkf10t
This is well written and has some good points, but it does read like someone who is condemning Jian before the facts have come out. Obviously everyone needs to take any accusation seriously, but that doesn’t mean that they are true. Just as his denial doesn’t prove his innocence, the woman’s accusations do not prove that they are victims. He might not be the nicest guy on the planet, but he certainly doesn’t deserve to lose his job for being an asshole.
There’s more to it than you know, and some women have begun to come forward. This will have a lot more to come, if Jesse Brown and the Star’s implications materialize. Hang in there.
your article is rife with “what ifs”, baseless assumptions, and obvious attempts to cloud the argument. please don’t call yourself a reporter…you are just a vitriolic hack using shock tactics. learn how to present a logical argument before you embarrass yourself again. and for the record, i had not heard of jian gh prior to this. but i DO know when someone is presenting a slanted dialogue.
I’m not a reporter, asshole. I’m saying the what-ifs are important because there are no facts to draw from and automatically defending him isn’t fair. Learn how to read.
Perhaps, but it really rubs me the wrong way when people automatically defend the woman in situations like this. As long as they remain anonymous there really is no point to their smear campaign. And considering that The Star wasn’t going to run the story for lack of evidence until Jian was fired, I think it’s unlikely that he will be charged. Like I said, he may have treated these women badly, but I don’t think it’s fair to condemn someone because you perceive that he didn’t do the BDSM thing “right.”
Right now these women aren’t charging him with anything. Say what you will about why they didn’t go to the cops, but the only outcome for this unless they give up their identities is ruining a man’s career. The Star didn’t even post the story until Jian’s comments due to lack of evidence. Just because a woman says she was abused doesn’t make it true. The most important word in your response is “IF” (the implications materialize). I’m not saying they aren’t true, but BDSM and this case are far more complicated than you are making it out to be.
RT @refashionista: This is worth reading –> Jian Versus the CBC http://t.co/LrIAkkf10t
RT @metalmattress: On the Gomeshi thing. So many people saying “Why don’t these women come forward. Here’s an answer why. http://t.co/yc9…
READ THIS –> #JianGhomeshi Versus the CBC
http://t.co/i2AhcIVmvW
http://t.co/kfOUCRR3B8 Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist
RT @ThomasMilne: READ THIS –> #JianGhomeshi Versus the CBC
http://t.co/i2AhcIVmvW
Excellent dissection & decidedly victim-sided. A little balance to the “Jian’s alright” line.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/q3wqhIRcwZ
“@katieboland: Probably the best I’ve read yet. RT: http://t.co/oU1uMJLPw3” not my place to take sides but this is brilliantly written.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
important > http://t.co/yIpWxr5eow
‘But his Voice is like Chocolate + I Love Him’…Great Takeaway re: #JianGhomeshi Disbelief via @SnarkySteff http://t.co/wqWOpJ60i3
“Us”? I don’t know who you think you’re kidding Steff (author), but Ghomeshi – much to the man’s own chagrin – isn’t that big a deal.
I’m amongst a very aware set of people at the moment and many of them barely know who he is, if at all.
Please don’t say he has ripped “us” apart. For starters, he hasn’t ripped anyone I know apart. More importantly, we don’t want observers and visitors to believe that Canada is a country of easily led goofs. The majority of us are not, so I can say it isn’t.
It’s good to have your break-down, as I may cite it in future, but I don’t need it to know that I am happier with Ghomeshi gone.
I thought he was an over-dramatic, self-aggrandising, fool. He did make it onto the radio but, judging from the way over-the-top reaction from the radio audience, that’s not as much an endorsement as it once was.
Some people would have him back. I’m glad he’s gone, as are plenty of others.
The world keeps turning, so let’s concentrate more on the stories than on the people who tell them.
“I’ve been a good soldier for the CBC” #JianGhomeshi 1/2 http://t.co/KS7RdpDKn9
#JianGhomeshi “A “good soldier” the week one of our own is gunned down in cold blood? Motherfucker” 2/2 http://t.co/wKVdAonlda #cdnpoli
RT @pqpolitics: #JianGhomeshi “A “good soldier” the week one of our own is gunned down in cold blood? Motherfucker” 2/2 http://t.co/wKVdAon…
more proof that the public knows nothing yet in Jian vs. the CBC: http://t.co/tVCaQaWs9s
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
So far the best article I’ve read on this issue. http://t.co/I9sTVvmPXX #cbc #jianghomeshi #canadapoli #fb
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/tkWItUumeB
For the writer that bemoans a lack of objective thought and criticizes Ghomeshi for framing the conversation, this article is utterly devoid of objectivity and all but says he MUST be guilty. This is as opinionated, uninformed and reactionary as those who believe he couldn’t possibly have done anything wrong.
“Next you have the crowd shouting “Well, the victims won’t come forward. If they’re really victims, then they… http://t.co/Gdcq08JvNq
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Best overview I have read so far. http://t.co/IYdoPuScWL
RT @Elphie: So far the best article I’ve read on this issue. http://t.co/I9sTVvmPXX #cbc #jianghomeshi #canadapoli #fb
RT @Elphie: So far the best article I’ve read on this issue. http://t.co/I9sTVvmPXX #cbc #jianghomeshi #canadapoli #fb
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/8SjV4gfR8w
Very well written take on Jian vs the CBC http://t.co/uWBptQKr50
RT @Tashtoo: Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/8SjV4gfR8w
Very well written re: #JianGomeshi and the #CBC – http://t.co/JTa0KY8P1n
Whoa. Intense. But thanks for this.
I’m one of those who didn’t want to believe that someone with such a genuine looking smile and buttery sounding voice and who’s programming I enjoy so much could have his values and morals so perverted and twisted and be such a violent creep.
I typically default to seeing the best in people, which as a Mental Health Therapist tends to serve me quite well, but also makes it all the more painful when I am found to be disillusioned.
Alas. Thanks again.
~Julia Kristina
http://juliakristina.com/blog
As a result gay rights to hold … wow, ass clown shenanigans,…
As a mental health therapist you should see that what he’s sick and needs serious therapy.
very good article. take time to read this! #JianGhomeshi Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/wEDO75dj9r
RT @atomiccentre: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/tkWItUumeB
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
An excellent piece of writing. <Jian Versus the CBC> http://t.co/x6L6IzcGv2
POVs on #BDSM & consent via @fakedansavage http://t.co/vicdBtPeAN : @SnarkySteff http://t.co/ZuUbnEdllV : @sexgeekAZ http://t.co/CPImMhAln0
RT @sleepytimeJo: Very well written re: #JianGomeshi and the #CBC – http://t.co/JTa0KY8P1n
RT @RMComedy: An excellent piece of writing. <Jian Versus the CBC> http://t.co/x6L6IzcGv2
http://t.co/Zr5hQr0P8G
This is the best articulated article I’ve seen so far. Please read it. http://t.co/g91IDweoW7
Reading http://t.co/AR4fEbVx1i
RT @Tashtoo: Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/8SjV4gfR8w
RT @RMComedy: An excellent piece of writing. <Jian Versus the CBC> http://t.co/x6L6IzcGv2
If only the author had described them as women, not girls, it would be more neutral and empowering. I am certain a 25 year old is a young woman, not a young girl. It sets a strange tone in an otherwise balanced sketch of BDSM.
I’m 40, and they might be adults, but they’re barely started in life, and that’s to convey tone.
And this isn’t about BDSM. It’s about being abused without consent.
Must read: Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/qvxZUOmWX7
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @shinytricks: This is a very interesting take on Ghomeshigate. http://t.co/0yuGxzAQox
Rational & intelligent response that brings up a lot of important points. Gomeshi vs the CBC. http://t.co/njulK9IfIc
RT @SnarkySteff: Well, then. Here is what I’ve spent my morning writing — my take on this #Ghomeshi bullshit. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6 #ghom…
more on Ghomeshi, consent, ethics, double standards and self-awareness: http://t.co/lbIdn6Uh1x
Wow… And I thought CBC was done after this incident…
Regardless, with this post, you just got FAMOUS
Yup. Everything about this read. http://t.co/8DzieEaTcN . #cbc #JianGhomeshi
RT @RMComedy: An excellent piece of writing. <Jian Versus the CBC> http://t.co/x6L6IzcGv2
RT @atomiccentre: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/tkWItUumeB
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @matwilcox: A well thought out excellent read on #ghomeshigate by @SnarkySteff . Covers it all and then some. @TorStarEditor http://t.co…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/dVRHxt9rF8
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/ewFANRp19Z
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Jian vs the CBC http://t.co/uGuWiUv7xI
WORTH the read.
Reading http://t.co/Qm4OpRv1HI
What a well-conceived and articulated article! THANK YOU for defending the silence of the women. Equally important was your presentation of BDSM. It is the bottom who is in FULL CONTROL of the roleplay, Always.
Thanks, Britt. 🙂
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
http://t.co/WwhEJnddr4 – this. #girlstothefront
More on the case of @jianghomeshi #JianGhomeshi
http://t.co/L86LTAoMEu
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
The point you miss is Ghomeshi has been assassinated. The allegations could all be true and he could truly ‘deserve’ it BUT, assassination is not how a just society settles its scores. If we make it that easy – anonymous allegations – to take someone down, that’s a very slippery slope.
Asking there to be a complaint or charge on file with HR or the police is not defending Jian, it is defending due process.
Let’s get the order of this down pat before you start saying Ghomeshi was assassinated, or at least his character, which is what I presume you meant. The CBC fired him and did not divulge any details. They raised many questions, but did not disparage Ghomeshi. It was Ghomeshi who bared the details first, and started the narrative of how he was being defamed. If you think that Ghomeshi’s character has been assassinated, then you believe the “jilted ex-girlfriend” story he’s revealing on Facebook. You’re making a judgment of that woman without due process and without know any facts. I think that in order for you to reach the conclusions you’ve reached, there would have to be a trial and Ghomeshi would have to be exonerated. That hasn’t happened yet, so keep an open mind.
I heart you, Ryan. Yes, exactly.
I completely agree.
We have laws in this country and everyone is entitled to due process.
Anonymous to us, yes, but CBC may know who. And not just one allegation, but multiple, with similar detail, all of which indicates pattern, not fluke.
I’m not just pulling shit out of the sky here, I’m going on investigative journalism by a paper risking a $50,000,000 lawsuit. Because hey, I don’t think that kind of risk makes one go “Fuck facts, let’s just make shit up.”
They’re being cautious. It shows.
great writing. Charming smiles can hide ugly interiors. He is perverted and is indeed a motherfucker.
Perverted and a motherfucker. Which is illegal HOW, exactly? Why is it inconceivable that she enjoyed BDSM, and these allegations are ONLY coming to light AFTER he tried to end the relationship? That’s how I see this.
Right. Because you’re believing his side of it, rather than the investigative journalist. Yes, your shrewd and considered opinions are bound to carry a lot of weight around these parts. We appreciate your weighty thought and thorough dissection of this complicated subject.
Go, you.
Of course I’m being completely serious.
A good overview from multiple angles on the Jian Ghomeshi issue. Especially on proper BDSM practises and consent. http://t.co/24W3aUHkMq
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/CEfh4HCfYS
Very valid perspective…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @AllisonElm: All this support for #JianGhomeshi sucks. My thoughts are w/ the women he assaulted. Read this & re-tweet. http://t.co/67K6…
Jian vs. CBC. http://t.co/QXJDZE5PGY
by far the best article I have read about this topic….. It opened my eyes… @AdamHeskett http://t.co/2y0xsu0P73
@m_brand Uh, domain name NSFW?, but I saw this Ghomeshi piece circulating and it’s quite good: http://t.co/iG1W0FXrFC
There’s no road back for Ghomeshi after this story breaks wide, wide open… Excellent read! http://t.co/edf1FpaZsd
WOW: good overview from multiple angles on the Jian Ghomeshi issue. Especially on proper BDSM practises and consent. http://t.co/YPByfHzy1N”
RT @animadverto: A good overview from multiple angles on the Jian Ghomeshi issue. Especially on proper BDSM practises and consent. http://t…
RT @craigdale: More on the case of @jianghomeshi #JianGhomeshi
http://t.co/L86LTAoMEu
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/LyYrrTYb7Y
RT @AllisonElm: All this support for #JianGhomeshi sucks. My thoughts are w/ the women he assaulted. Read this & re-tweet. http://t.co/67K6…
What she said: @SnarkySteff http://t.co/zvW9IHvVQS
RT @LexaShmexa: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/CEfh4HCfYS
Very valid perspective…
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/qvxZUOmWX7
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/BU46jLYdKU
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Great read & perspective! Regardless where you stand. “Jian Versus the CBC” – http://t.co/ZsQL9NIdka @jianghomeshi #CBC #JianGhomeshi
Very good piece. http://t.co/OjiCYcdSFO
RT @WalkerBigTalker: There’s no road back for Ghomeshi after this story breaks wide, wide open… Excellent read! http://t.co/edf1FpaZsd
Thank you for an excellent and insightful article. As a victim of sexual abuse and not by someone famous, I know how hard it is to come forward, to tell your story and have people believe you. And somehow, even when they do believe you, for some people there is still this underlying tone that I did something to deserve what happened to me. Rape culture exists and unfortunately it continues to grow in every aspect of our media and our culture. Thank you for having the guts to write what you did.
Rape culture sucks. It’s time I join the chorus of voices to say something about that bullshit too. Yep. Thank you.
Steff says well. The best I have read on this whole mess.
http://t.co/P3988FkTKr
The operative word is “alleged”….I have questions…how is it these women all came together at the same time? What is there relationship to one another? Why come forward now? If what happened is as they report why are there not criminal charges?
So I guess at this point all we can say is we don’t have anything even approaching the full story….but to say that would wreck the reactionary pleasure of getting on the horse of moral outrage and judgement.
You really don’t get how that happened? Via an investigation. Once an investigation starts you find info that leads to more info and sources. I’m sure when they kept finding women through word of mouth they encouraged them to come forward, stand together, and tell their stories. I believe this is normally how things are and and I’m a bit bewildered that this is a sincere question from you.
They didn’t all come out at once. The story came out after a year of research by a reputable journalist. If you read this article (the one that you commented on) you may begin to understand why there were no criminal charges.
I have no personal interest in any of this (I’m not a fan of the alleged or know the victims), but I am a woman and am interested in both the writer’s p.o.v. and the culture of the voices of the “public” who comment on these articles, as they present some interesting, and often times alarming, misconceptions about victim blaming, and consent.
I do agree with you that we need to all pause before either jumping to the bandwagon of the alleged, or on the bandwagon of the victims.
Seriously, did you even read this? And you’re still asking these questions? It’s called investigative journalism. The reporters dig. They find sources and go around asking questions. They try to get people to go on the record, but they’ll often talk but say it’s off the record and not to print their name. This is how journalists know the information but can’t name names.
Lord. Plus, I apparently know a lot more than you about the PR spin, so that’s why we drastically differ here. I took public relations in college. This is Crisis Management 101, what he’s doing. Period.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/BLZTkiPYdX
Reading http://t.co/4oO1d4XGTZ #JianGhomeshi #SlimyFucker
Finally, a clear take on this horrible situation. Very well written.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @craigdale: More on the case of @jianghomeshi #JianGhomeshi
http://t.co/L86LTAoMEu
Yup. Steff sums it up pretty good. RT The Cunting Linguist: Jian Versus the CBC: http://t.co/yLMUeLhDnV
I have a lot of feelings and opinions about the Jian thing. This covers most of em http://t.co/zHroaC5RPm
Sorry bout the byline, but holy man this #resonates! I know at least 1 person who could do to read it! #nailedit http://t.co/4EKzL79hHB
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/nf7ZFyyRWD – a valid perspective & analysis
Valuable perspective on #ghomeshi vs the #cbc (and vs the women involved): http://t.co/xY5WR5jZiC
RT @dalykatherine: Possibly the best piece on Ghomeshi-gate I’ve read @veganforareason @SecretRowena http://t.co/llfpRB4RJS
Great read and most logical overview of the #CBC VS #JianGhomeshi saga: http://t.co/XYvQrJQXns
Wow. Just wow. http://t.co/cfi08EgSKN
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A well said perspective on the Jian debate, and the CBC case – http://t.co/jKYFtKqKoO
Well written article http://t.co/tJKN4roNJU #Ghomeshigate
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @thedamon: I have a lot of feelings and opinions about the Jian thing. This covers most of em http://t.co/zHroaC5RPm
This is all you really have to read about #JianvsCBC http://t.co/2BdxDNDCD0 #TOpoli
RT @RMComedy: An excellent piece of writing. <Jian Versus the CBC> http://t.co/x6L6IzcGv2
RT @thedamon: I have a lot of feelings and opinions about the Jian thing. This covers most of em http://t.co/zHroaC5RPm
RT @DaliaEzzat_: This is all you really have to read about #JianvsCBC http://t.co/2BdxDNDCD0 #TOpoli
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Best take yet on #Jian #Qinky vs the #CBC http://t.co/tw4azldScv
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/48G0ysmQP4 #ghomeshigate
#JianGhomeshi Versus the #CBC http://t.co/QOJjezsDU3
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/hKIXBXnHzl
RT @LexaShmexa: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/CEfh4HCfYS
Very valid perspective…
Interesting read by @snarkysteff: Jian Versus the #CBC – http://t.co/Hy7SpsB58b
RT @DaliaEzzat_: This is all you really have to read about #JianvsCBC http://t.co/2BdxDNDCD0 #TOpoli
@snarkysteff Thanks for this insightful perspective! Excellent article here: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/E3o5ySE2oK @cbc
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/jxZpzHoz87
RT @LexaShmexa: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/CEfh4HCfYS
Very valid perspective…
Conjecture and hyped innuendo abounds throughout this mess.
So much included that has no place here, it’s 75% too long. It is safe enough for her to write this but it’s close to slander or guilt by conclusion.
The most important failure is that it IS well written but is so one sided that it loses credibility when- “A “good soldier” the week one of our own is gunned down in cold blood? Motherfucker” -is inserted as a distraction from a blatant lack of evidence. I don’t know what exactly has happened yet but this unhelpful post is certainly partisan ranting.
I’d tax my pretty little brain for a retort but since you’ve proven you’re a total goof, I think I’ll skip it.
Good chat. Go, team.
Steffani Cameron – you can’t think of a challenge rooted in reason to what “Mr. Jelly ” had posted so you through a disparaging remark at him. That only goes to further substantiate what that person is saying.
A person was fired – his career lays in ruin – all this based on hearsay – no evidence – no due process.
All Corporations, businesses, places of employment are subject to the same Canadian employment laws. The CBC can set all the silly rules for terms of dismissal it wants – let’s say it makes a rule that everyone with green hair can be subjected to dismissal, such a rule would be meaningless if it runs counter to Canadian employment laws regarding dismissals.
Sure, I get it – your gut tells you that this person is guilty and he deserves what he got – but that sets a slippery slop precedent that destroys the very fabric of our justice system – and for the justice system to keep women safe it needs to keep everybody safe – blindly. You start giving people “free passes” and others you punish based on your “gut feelings” then it won’t be long before money abuses that precedent and then the justice system will only represent 1% of the population. You may say that is already happening – all the more reason to support and fight for a blind legal system – that strives to keep all women safe by keeping everybody safe -blindly
disparaging remark is redundant.
Whether or not she has a valid criticism does not validate the previous poster’s message.
Don’t be daft.
“Pretty”? Wow, you think pretty highly of yourself
I can’t see what you’re commenting on but no, I have a pretty level-headed view of my strengths and weaknesses. Each of which there are many.
Mr. jelly has problems understanding a well written article.
I and others would almost certainly agree with you if (and only if) there were such an article on this page. There ain’t. Steffani’s article isn’t well written to begin with. Tripe, bile, and bias is what you can read.
You’re an idiot. Eight women have come forward. Including a famous actress. Here, go read something.
Merle, you can go fuck yourself. You’re blocked here.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
werd // Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/zfa7uDizLe http://t.co/zfa7uDizLe
This was a well written article, but one whose intent is proving Jian is guilty. There is a lack of evidence and sources through out. It is written with a personal bias evident from the first paragraph. Let’s also not forget that this is a independent, unaccredited source. While Jian may be guilty, he could quite honestly be innocent. But the only information publicly available right now are allegations from both sides. I haven’t seen any observational evidence to prove either sides case. This article was to strongly opinionated to be considered a fair or definitive source on this issue, which it is already being shared as. Which is why I am here typing this. Use your head, give it some time and we will know the truth behind this. Until then it’s just angry keyboard warriors debating in the court of opinion.
Oh, don’t take my word for it. Take one of his closest friend’s word for it instead, then.
I’m not aiming for sources and proof. We had none. I was going on a news story and his rebuttal. His statement had no proof or sources either, so why does it carry more weight than mine? Especially if he’s accused of something, and fired in the face of a threat for $50 mill, by an employer who not only doesn’t care about the lawsuit, but removes every STITCH of imaging or branding of his from EVERY STATION ACROSS THE LAND?
But hey. You do your thing, bro.
Steffani Cameron – “Take one of his closest friend’s word for it…” – still nothing but hearsay – no evidence – no due process – it’s convicting with your gut. – it’s the slippery slope that represents an attack on a blind justice system – it will only benefit 1% of any population – women’s rights are weakened when the justice system ceases to be blind.
If you don’t think it’s sexual assault then read this about BDSM http://t.co/UH0VlaBRza #Jian #sexualassault http://t.co/Xw6oUxsRmF
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/BMHrz5R8ZC http://t.co/BMHrz5R8ZC
Excellent blog: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Ug2CzFivyP
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/6iaq5uqlXh http://t.co/6iaq5uqlXh
@montymiff @residualimage not sure if you’ve seen this one, good take on it http://t.co/bPUwChyJUC
I admit I initially believed him when I first read his post and sympathized because I know how grieving a loved one can affect someone’s decisions. But then I heard more of the story and now I think he’s guilty of at least some aggravated behaviour and I hope it all comes out in a trial. But I think we give women far too many excuses to be the victim and I don’t think it’s helping us. We should aim for strong and fearless, no matter what the consequences because, let’s face it, life is hard and not always fair. The above well-written article asks when we ever turned someone in or spoke up about an issue. But this is not about squealing on a co-worker, but about our personal well-being. I like to think that if a man hit me harder than I thought it was possible for any man to hit a woman, I would have picked myself up off the floor and marched out the door to the closest emergency room. I would like to think I wouldn’t have waited around until morning. And you can file a report with the sexual assault squad, but not press charges, just so they have it on record, if you’re truly concerned about the backlash. I fully understand that it can be difficult for women to leave abusive relationships and that there are all kinds of reasons why. But this was not the case here. From the sounds of it, it was a date or two, so the reasons would not apply. I think the problem lies with women being too eager to please, especially a charismatic eligible man (or a woman if you’re so inclined), and a lot of times we end up doing things we really don’t want to do, because as women, we’re taught to be agreeable. Well, we have to stop that, especially when it puts our well-being at risk. I’m not at all blaming these women for what happened to them because I’m sure they had no way of knowing what they were walking in to, but I bet even they are looking back, wishing they had perhaps handled the aftermath differently, with a spirited “fuck you, Jian” thrown in. Because sometimes, provided no physical injuries need attending, the best thing to do is hold your head high, chalk it up to experience, but lay the ground work and file a report with the sexual assault squad so that if another woman comes forward at a later date, they will have a record that he’s done it before.
@ChrisRyanPhD here’s a good read on the subject http://t.co/gx5hLnJYyX
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/UImRzvVXK6
Dear Jian Ghomeshi,
I read your Facebook message, and found parts of it concerning. For example, you state: “We all have our secret life.” You are wrong. You see my secret life almost killed me, and I’m afraid for you. I needed to stop the double life, stop the secrets, and live that way every day, one day at a time. I couldn’t imagine what a public figure and a media star such as yourself are going through during this time. I can’t imagine what your ex-girlfriends are going through either.
Good luck!
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/kNYGObu9Gl http://t.co/kNYGObu9Gl
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/ngIWYXturr
Because, sometimes, not having consent is its own fetish for those for whom sex is a pathological need.
http://t.co/CciqS7j4Bs #JianGomeshi
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/p2k0J0jCjt
On @JesseBrown: “journos out there … tired of powerful people [like #JianGhomeshi #RobFord] getting away w/ stuff”
http://t.co/CciqS7j4Bs
RT @pammmacd: Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/v68prdLyi0 http://t.co/v68prdLyi0 #WorldWarQ #Ghomesi
Dear Miss Cameron
I have read your article titled “Jion versus the CBC” and I have a few comments to add
I do agree with you on the fact that we should not jump on Jion Ghomeshi bandwagon just because he is a rich smooth talking radio announcer. I also agree that the CBC had every legal right to terminate his employment. Let’s face it, keeping Ghomeshi on as a radio host would have tarnished their reputation and of course they don’t have the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to take such actions.
Being said, I would like to advise you, if I may, to be careful of some informal fallacy arguments that seem to be present in your text:
Faulty generalization
Phil Spector and Jimmy Savile, are famous people who were accused of crimes, who tried to cover them up and were found guilty.
Jion Ghomeshi is famous person who is accused of a crime and seems to be covering it up.
Therefore, Jion Gohmoeshi must be guilty.
Faulty Authority
The Toronto Star is an authority in journalistic integrity.
The Toronto Star claims allegations of sexual assault committed by Jion Ghomeshi.
The allegations must be true.
Lastly, I just want to say that you must be careful when writing statements like: “Well, not having hard proof didn’t stop the Star from doing one hell of an investigative case on Mayor Rob Ford and his crack addiction.” I for one question the journalistic integrity of any newspaper who publishes a story without proof. If this is in fact what happened in the Ford case, then The Toronto Star just got lucky that the proof came out afterwards.
What I am saying is let’s not jump on one bandwagon or another. Finding Ghomeshi guilty in the court of public opinion is in fact a dangerous slippery slope to head down. He might or might not be guilty. Let the police and the court system do their jobs. I think we tend to be overly emotional in these situations and to forget that it is every Canadian citizen’s right to a fair trial and to be innocent until proven guilty.
Marc, this is an excellent and reasonable commentary on an article that is, in my opinion, pure conjecture.
Consent or not – if he inflicted harm – he broke the law:
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ghomeshi-question-the-law-and-consent/article21315629/?service=mobile
RT @thedamon: I have a lot of feelings and opinions about the Jian thing. This covers most of em http://t.co/zHroaC5RPm
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/ChoC7s3n8S
This. http://t.co/1wtR5I2NhE
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/UT4A8gkp9u
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/7UF7blJhlS
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/24KDPEYa4O
Fab piece, thanks for writing and sharing. I also felt sick reading his claim to being ‘a good soldier’ – juxtaposed against our actual fallen soldiers mere days afterwards.
Whoa – you work for the Star or something?
They do it “very, very, very well?” Is that how Canadians really feel about how the whole Rob Ford thing went down?
Um, yeah, he eventually was forced to admit he did crack. That’s a pretty big coup. It’s called journalism.
yeah, you could say the whole thing got Rob Ford to crack under the pressure.
Not all Canadians, no.
A great article on Gomeshi and the difficulty that victims face when they speak up. http://t.co/AFd9XOgGbA
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Urban culture thinkx S&M is xophisticated. Jian Vs the CBC at the end of TO media rainbow in whip-the-kitten land. http://t.co/bmLDWjMetx
Best. One. Yet. – http://t.co/cpWhlkU1KR http://t.co/cpWhlkU1KR
Excellent take. Except for “the victims won’t come forward!” I’ve been focused with laser intensity through this story on the woman who DID come forward (from Kevin Donovan’s story); the Q show employee; she DID go to her union rep, union rep mistakenly went to Q producer, not Human Resources, and Q producer seems to have made it clear to the employee that nothing would be done. Woman quit her job. I’m hoping that producer has had to quit her job as well.
Interesting perspective, and compelling, given the culture in which we live:
http://t.co/3e0VKePZyH
#JianGhomeshi
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/m4ZQtISu2E @SnarkySteff has some great perspective on this case. #jianghomeshi
This pretty well sums up my thoughts on the Jian Ghomeshi scandal: http://t.co/yR2q9fZY2h
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/2lmspsTDqw http://t.co/2lmspsTDqw
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/EB8p6qyyxz http://t.co/EB8p6qyyxz
LOLOLOLOL. Man-hating! Yes, I hate men who hit women. How stupid of me. You’re an idiot.
A woman DID post on JG’s facebook essay, a comment on her own experience with him. AND she used her real name. I looked to find it again and it may have been deleted. It was posted around 1pm on Monday. I know that because I cut and paste it into an email discussion/debate I was having with someone about this subject.
AWESOME. GO, her! That’s ballsy.
I looked at my email. It was sent on monday at 2pm. The comment that I cut and pasted from there said under “about an hour ago” so she posted it around 1 pm. I went back to see if I could find it but it was either gone or too many comments for me to cipher through. I wondered if he deleted it, or she has second thoughts given that her Facebook name was on it. I looked at her FB page and she seems to be under a legit name…so someone has actually posted a true account under their own name.
Reprint it here or see if someone has the way-back machine snapshot of it then, please, I’d like to see that ??
Awesome article. Thank you. Are you aware we can post messages of support to these women? I mean somewhere that they won’t have to read 1000 angry comments for every nice one. There should be a website or something so they can see we’re not all totally starstruck
We’re definitely having a “come-to-Jesus” moment in our standards for identifying and dealing with sexual consent… http://t.co/gOG5bkHGPD
And damned well about time, too. Thanks!
This article might have just found #JianGhomeshi guilty in the court of public opinion http://t.co/TYpQb7YZoJ
Cheers, Elias.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/2uWLGVGITx
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/70fDgUC9Wx
Amazing post. One of the best examinations of all the arguments I’ve heard over the last three days. Well done.
Completely awesome. Thank you.
Reposting this because it’s truly one of the best pieces written on the @jianghomeshi drama http://t.co/2BdxDNDCD0 #TOpoli
Well written about Jian/CBC and abuse http://t.co/ekzdBicXE0
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/xNYHM3ZEth Very well written essay on this situation. Recommended read.
Ouch. http://t.co/AYJxnsTsaS
Thanks for writing this and for clearing out so many cobwebs in one swoop. My only concern is your point about denial. People who do wron deny it, yes. But people who are falsely accused also deny it because in that case it’s the truth. My point is denial can’t be taken as proof of guilt.
Overall, what a fab piece.
Thanks, absolutely, yeah, some denials are as true as all get-out. But my argument was against people who seem to think all denials are true. Clearly, no. In this instance, with multiple accusers, years of back-channel whispering, and all that, this has all the earmarks of deflecting guilt and spinning an angle.
Jian versus the CBC http://t.co/ZMGhWVSSBC and a BIG F-ING THANK YOU to @SnarkySteff #JianGhomeshi
It’s ironic how you are keen to demonize Ghomeshi before all the facts are in while criticizing others for the lack of objectivity in defending the guy.
It’s called “analyzing the situation.” Funny, I’ve had many journalists and PR experts emailing me and telling me just how apt my takedown is. But you go ahead and tell yourself I’m all biased and evil. That’s cool, yo.
Thank you for breaking it down so well. So clearly.
Steffani – EXCELLENT piece on CBC and Jian!!! Thank you!!! Love the way you cut through! You’ve covered so much territory with your article I can only add one thought in the form of a rhetorical question: ” Ever notice anytime there is a fuck up in your life – you’re always close by?” Jian describing himself as THE victim and 100% innocent (!) – bypasses the obvious: ie that he had ANYTHING to do with the mess he’s in! In the LEAST – he needs to acknowledge his own failure at working through the “misunderstanding” after the fact. “I don’t believe I did anything wrong, but I am utterly sorry for the obvious upset I have been part of, let’s go over what happened, perhaps with a third party, so that we can clear up the past and move on.” That would have been the non-adversarial approach.
Completely agree with you on the disincentives for women to come forward and speak up or go to police. Look at the hostile backlash that was generated by that US blogger who wrote about someone who was likely this pudgy gnat. (I say that not because I am convinced he is guilty, but because independently of this he is a pudgy gnat). I think your hypothetical case of the 25 year old with visions of a media career is a good one as well.
Interestingly, it appears at least one woman has come forward and revealed her identity.
Eight women have come forward, including actress Lucy Decoutere going on the record!
RT @ShwetaDhawan1: One of the best takes I have come across on the #Ghomeshi vs #CBC situation. Very real. http://t.co/3aEs0rbXc3 #BDSM #se…
Agree with everything you wrote, but I still wonder why this has anything to do with Jian’s work at CBC. Drag his sorry butt into court if need be, but don’t fire him. There’s no connection.
ARE YOU NUTS? Keep a sociopathic abuser ON THE AIR because you LIKE HIS SHOW? Like, SERIOUSLY? THINK ABOUT IT.
thank you for publishing this opinion. i take personal satisfaction in knowing that now, only the truly obnoxious creeps will continue to roll their eyes and tell me to “get with the 21st century”, whenever i lament the fact that the CBC has degenerated into a forum for inane narcissism since hiring this excuse for a man and radio host. Go away Gian, and take your cheap, pretentious, deep as a shot glass adoring fans with you please..
Total brilliance. http://t.co/8zwpKJJDxS #BelieveWomen
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/2DxNPcwlep
Anyone out there that’s on #Jian side still needs to read this MT “@reedills: It opened my eyes http://t.co/mMTyEjzMX1”
RT @melvillesh: @Sheila_Copps Please read this and reconsider your “good luck and stand tall” comment http://t.co/mMZRi7x16U
RT @melvillesh: @Sheila_Copps Please read this and reconsider your “good luck and stand tall” comment http://t.co/mMZRi7x16U
Entertaining well written on BDSM & #JianGhomeshi et al.
Will he now go to the States and makes a fortune? http://t.co/dDTqPSvBf6
I think charges are not long off. He will either clutch to his megalomaniacal delusions and fight them in court, or plea bargain.
RT @quinnhiebert: Very good blog. Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/0AYn6TC6EI
RT @richactor: Entertaining well written on BDSM & #JianGhomeshi et al.
Will he now go to the States and makes a fortune? http://t.co/dDT…
Fucking brilliant! Honestly this is the best piece I’ve read yet. Why are you not writing for The Star or any other major publication? You have a great style and although I found you quite by accident, I’ll surely keep reading.
Jian thought he could brush this off easily. Just a matter of putting on his best “I’m sowwy” smirk and denying his evil deeds. Me thinks he just got a cold shower of reality and his abusin’ and a rapin’ days are done for good. Maybe he’ll have a good career–in Iran.
Thank you! I’m working on the writing thing. I’ve been derailed by real life for a few years and put writing on the backburner, but I’ve been rekindling it this year, and I’ll be around. Believe me. Stay tuned, there’ll be a follow-up to this piece at the Vancouver Observer on Thursday. I’ll post a link here so you can find it. 🙂
RT @richactor: Entertaining well written on BDSM & #JianGhomeshi et al.
Will he now go to the States and makes a fortune? http://t.co/dDT…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
@emilynussbaum this is important relevant read #ibelievelucy http://t.co/a0V6MJQZxB
RT @richactor: Entertaining well written on BDSM & #JianGhomeshi et al.
Will he now go to the States and makes a fortune? http://t.co/dDT…
no sympathy for Jian Ghomeshi whatsoever. Fucker tarnished my teddy bear logo too.. #thecuntinglinguistNarcissist
http://t.co/mLe0qXLymO
http://www.zazzle.ca/i_believe_her_bumper_sticker-128683975052392696 <-- [ED. NOTE FROM STEFF: CAN YOU BELIEVE THESE COCKSUCKERS ARE PROFITEERING OFF THESE ALLEGATIONS ONLY 96 HOURS IN?]
I deleted that bumper sticker because someone profiting off of this is a fucking joke. They should have a little respect.
there is no argument. rape culture DOESN’T exist. it is a figment of your racist, sexist, appalingly predjudiced imagination. it would be nice if SJW’s such as yourself would just stop projecting your insecurites on others.
Okay, readers, go to town on this asshole, please.
Thank you for stopping by and attempting to add something to the discussion. Ladies and gentlemen, please allow me to introduce you to the inventor of the new yoga move that is sweeping the nation. Yes, I’m talking about The Rectal Ostrich! I’d ask you to tell us about the wonderful benefits you derive from consistently shoving your head up your ass, but they are evident in your post.
Hey Jian
Your gonna need a job, why don’t you go back to Iran where you can punch out girls behind closed doors and get paid for it too. Probly get a premium because you’re such a famous guy. Also you wouldn’t have to keep looking over your shoulder for people that don’t like bullies.
Have you ever been in Iran??? if not… please reconsider your comment.
excellent, excellent, excellent. That’s about all I can say. extremely well put together post. thank you.
Thank you for this – I think you’ve pointed out all of the logical fallacies that people have been putting forward during this “debate” over Jian’s FB post
One of the best things I’ve read so far about all this #JianGhomeshi business. Thanks @snarkysteff! http://t.co/W38GdGJIXL
RT @KeightyEm: One of the best things I’ve read so far about all this #JianGhomeshi business. Thanks @snarkysteff! http://t.co/W38GdGJIXL
The fact that #JianGhomeshi doesn’t even recognize that what he’s done is wrong speaks volumes. Read: http://t.co/pkCMU3EL41
http://t.co/fvF2cPgELL @Taggart7 this says it best
RT @KeightyEm: One of the best things I’ve read so far about all this #JianGhomeshi business. Thanks @snarkysteff! http://t.co/W38GdGJIXL
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Ji7psuqtGX
Very eloquently and articulately said.
Some really well-reasoned thoughts on the issue from @snarkysteff – Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/gjpJN3zmys
@SnarkySteff This was the best read yet. Incredibly well written and balanced! http://t.co/toUSF0tV3y
Thanks, Karen!
now I understand why CBC just walked away
Jian, you done some BAAAAAD things…
http://t.co/INnw8aldnJ
While I find this article well written, I do take at face value as the ‘blog’ that it is. Journalism, although not without its bias, is generally objective and weighs in on both sides. I weigh in here on the side of caution. There are questions and inconsistencies on both sides. The pro-Ghomeshi side can wave the flag of the accusers not coming forward sooner. The anti-Ghomeshi side can champion their cause by trotting the myriad of people who will now come forward with an example of his behaviour. I would like to think I am an intelligent person and am capable of decyphering all the facts to determine my own conclusion. Sadly, facts are lacking at the moment and this will continue to be bogged down in a case of he said, she said for months, possibly years.
As a member of the BDSM community, I will say this. Something doesn’t wash. For someone to be as into this lifestyle as he claims to be, very little precaution has been taken. Steffani is absolutely right in her assessment of the ‘safe word’. Our current ‘Fifty Shades’ society thinks that this is all a joke and contracts can be washed under the rug if the Dom is hot enough and rich enough. Contracts exist in our world to protect EVERYONE. To layout all the limits on both sides and establish that mightiest of swords, the safe word. I submit to my Dom willingly and trustingly in the knowledge that he will not harm me against my will and will keep me safe within the confines of our mutual pleasure and stop with just one word from me. It seems to me from the details that have come to light so far, that Ghomeshi picks up women and heads straight for the goal post without there being any chance for discussion. From my perspective, as someone who adamantly defends our right to behave as we wish in the privacy of our own bedrooms, that this is not about BDSM at all. It’s about a man who gets off on punching women. Please, please, please, do not paint him with the same brush as our community. The open dialogue is great. It’s about time.
What is more abusive and damaging. The words of a well trained well educated verbal sadist like the author. Or someone who slaps a potential sex partner on the face or ass to get her love juices flowing or his or both. One soon forgets the slap. Any cut soon heals. But the damage and harm caused by the spoken word such as the words in this author’s diatribe can last forever. What if just what if Jian is innocent. Would the author of this shit repay him in equal measure. And would she. Seems to me she is more of a sit in the bush assassin than an commentator.
Well said John Smith!
What if, just what if Jian is innocent. Would the author of this shit repay him with equal measure?
*I don’t want to judge here, but I don’t think she (the author) will do such a thing…
As a female I’d like to point out to the author that no matter my age and no matter if I was trying to make it in whatever industry, I would’ve come forward for this 1 simple fact or reason, if and I mean “if” I am an innocent young girl 20 years younger than Jian then it shouldn’t matter about my being a young embarrassed female trying to make it in the industry. If I am innocent then I shouldn’t worry about what potential employers think of me or my mom or dad or my family and friends think of me. I am a young innocent female trying to make it in the industry and what I was exploring in the bedroom worth Jian, but later decided I didn’t like or want it at the hands of Jian, shouldn’t matter at all!
What a crock of bull! If that is the writers defense as to Why the other girls didn’t come forward them it’s a pretty lame excuse, the girls were young and embarrassed because they were trying to make it in the industry!
If you’re raped or abused, no matter what, you come forward!!! You don’t worry about being embarrassed because you were curious about getting Sexual pleasure in a strange way!
You’re too ignorant to argue with. I can’t even fathom that people like you are using oxygen.
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/LTw4LBBNjQ
We do not have enough facts either way. It is truly a sad situation for all concerned. Brilliantly written piece.
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/9DP8MJ9yXR – great article, even if you’ve vowed ‘no more Jikan reading!’ like I had.
Jian Versus the CBC | The Cunting Linguist http://t.co/anCaWlXaKm
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Y3WWwJCuLy
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/E27XgoqPpv
The last #Ghomeshi post- http://t.co/JzPXO3IuTS
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/NyCXOvvqBs
Thank you for the “And You Would Come Forward?” section. You’ve said it better than anyone I’ve read yet.
What’s the difference of coming out then or now.
The Writer, who I might say sounds like she was writing about herself being a young journalist trying to make it in the industry, said the girls excuse for not coming forward was bcuz they were young girls trying to make it in the journalism scene or music industry and that they’d be embarrassed if potential employers or their family and friends discovered that they, the girls, were into exploring BDSM and it might ruin their chances of getting employment? Who cares about being embarrassed or not getting a job? Rape or Abuse is Rape or Abuse!
But I find it funny how these girls aren’t embarrassed Now or worried Now about not getting a job and yet they all come forward Now! What is the difference of Then and Now? Do the girls not care Now that employers or family and friends know they were into exploring kinky sex and BDSM?? If you’re Raped or Abused then you were Raped or Abused! Nothing, especially embarrassed bcuz you’re a little kinky, should stop you from coming forward! Oh wait, you’re Not embarrassed Now, bcuz you’re coming forward Now! What a crock!
Anyway, in Canada you’re supposed to be Innocent until proven Guilty! Not, you’re Guilty bcuz people feel sorry for the victims that were into kinky sex that supposedly went sideways! Or Not, you’re Guilty bcuz of what an ex jilted fatally attracted lover says to get Revenge bcuz you don’t want her any longer! Or Not, you’re Guilty bcuz the girls didn’t come forward in the beginning bcuz they were afraid they wouldn’t get employment if a future employer found out that they had a Sexual desire to explore BDSM! No, you’re Not Guilty bcuz in Canada, you’re Innocent until proven Guilty!!
So why don’t we all wait until Jian is tried before accusing him of being the monster that these girls are making him out to be.
Don’t forget, these girls could’ve yelled out for help and someone indeed would’ve heard them, but they all chose not to yell yet they stayed the whole night or several nights with Jian!!!
It takes 2 to tango!
@stewartetcie This piece of mine went viral Monday and was credited with starting to turn the tide against him. http://t.co/JkUVQMb2j6
My favourite piece written about #JianGhomeshi so far: http://t.co/KhPnjOJzJN
RT @ElleScotttt: My favourite piece written about #JianGhomeshi so far: http://t.co/KhPnjOJzJN
RT @DaliaEzzat_: This is all you really have to read about #JianvsCBC http://t.co/2BdxDNDCD0 #TOpoli
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/Ka6UU1JpPH Perspective.
RT @ElleScotttt: My favourite piece written about #JianGhomeshi so far: http://t.co/KhPnjOJzJN
Steffani all credit to you and full respect, not only for the best piece of writing on the subject so far, but for your skill, unshakable integrity, shoot from the hip honesty, humor, and brains dealing with so so many comments from people who not only don’t have a clue, but are convinced their insights have merit. Ignorance is bliss, thanks Steffani for being a Black Belt blister buster. Respect.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Well written and very well thought out. I couldn’t agree more, especially the “And You Would Come Forward?” section.
This whole thing is very similar to the Marv Albert scandal of the late 1990’s. In his case, he had a bad habit of biting without consent. He denied and protested like Jian, until DNA tests on Clinton-esque stains proved he wasn’t as innocent as he claimed. That should have been it for his career but, 2 years later… yes, only 2 years… he was back on top, supported by the network (NBC), the jocks, the late-night talk show hosts et al. Ghomeshi’s audience is a different demographic. CBC (public money) is way different than the beancounter culture at NBC. Maybe, in Ghomeshi’s case, the outrage will stick. Let’s hope so.
Yeah, the Marv Albert comparison has come up a number of times, but these accounts are so much more violent in some instances that I really don’t think it’s an apt comparison.
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
ICYMI: Snarky Steff’s long but must-read piece about the #JianGhomeshi story, by http://t.co/1hnMeypbln [Full piece]
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/BnTeRe22eU http://t.co/BnTeRe22eU
You speak more boldly than I, but I hear every word you say. This story is one that our nation didn’t want to have, but I suspect the conversation is too long in coming.
A nod in your direction.
Love your blog – Absolutely the hard core truth through and through – The world needs more people that are impartial, truthful and hold their Moral Compass very high. The ignorant opinionated people that think these woman are lying, that all sexual assaults get reported, or are of the “you asked for it”, are delusional. I was a teenager when I was sexually assaulted, reported it and spent a week at the mans trial. On the stand to testify, every part of my being was picked a part, questioned, and twisted. All in an effort to slander every part of me, hoping to redirect the jury’s attention from the real crime and criminal to a child that should be disgraced. Fun Times. I can guaratee you NOT! No victim of a sexaul crime, at anytime has ever said, I want to relive my nightware, while a defense attorney rips apart every part of my character, my honour and my integrity. I was raped while on a business trip a few years ago. I have not reported it to this day. I have a hard time subjecting myself to the torture of a trial. Here are some stats on rape in the US. In Canada its no different.
OUT OF EVERY 100 RAPES
40 – Get Reported
10 – Lead to an arrest
8 – Get prosecuted
4 – Lead to a Felony conviction
3 – Won’t even spend one day in jail
The other 97 Rapists will walk free.
It takes an unfathomable amount of courage for a victim to come forward. To those that do, I (we) applaude you, to those that don’t, I (We) understand. No Pressure – No Judgement
Love your blog – Absolutely the hard core truth through and through – The world needs more people that are impartial, truthful and hold their Moral Compass high. The ignorant opinionated people that think these woman are lying, that all sexual assaults get reported, or are of the “you asked for it”, are delusional. I was a teenager when I was sexually assaulted, reported it and spent a week at the mans trial. On the stand to testify, every part of my being was picked a part, questioned, and twisted. All in an effort to slander every part of me, hoping to redirect the jury’s attention from the real crime and criminal to a child that should be disgraced. Fun Times. I can guaratee you NOT! No victim of a sexaul crime, at anytime has ever said, I want to relive my nightware, while a defense attorney rips apart every part of my character, my honour and my integrity. I was raped while on a business trip a few years ago. I have not reported it to this day. I have a hard time subjecting myself to the torture of a trial. Here are some stats on rape in the US. In Canada its no different.
OUT OF EVERY 100 RAPES
40 – Get Reported
10 – Lead to an arrest
8 – Get prosecuted
4 – Lead to a Felony conviction
3 – Won’t even spend one day in jail
The other 97 Rapists will walk free.
It takes an unfathomable amount of courage for a victim to come forward. To those that do, I (we) applaude you, to those that don’t, I (We) understand. No Pressure – No Judgement
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
RT @SnarkySteff: If you missed my takedown of the Jian #Ghomeshi crap, I tackle it from several angles. It’s gone a tad viral. Oops. http:/…
Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/9Zbjt4Vy3l
RT @unravellingsoul: very good article. take time to read this! #JianGhomeshi Jian Versus the CBC – http://t.co/wEDO75dj9r
I’ll always be the first one to advocate a public lynching (no, not the internet kind–I mean the real thing) when a woman beater or child molester is actually guilty.
But I always have to ask: why does it always end up being about money? If some guy did that to me, you can bet your sweet safe word I’d use his own rope and any piece of hotel furniture I could find to throttle him within an inch of his life.
Why do these people always find the nearest reporter and start begging for money?
Yeah, I loved the man’s show. I’m a little surprised that he came off as such a sensitive guy, and now we’re hearing this about him. If he’s actually guilty, I’ll be there with my pitchfork >:)
But really… why is he not in jail? Or a little more beat up at least?
We need to include man beaters and man abusers in there as well.
And he’s not in jail because no one is charging him. You want to beat up someone who has been accused? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?